i think we are back to the moral arguments, raven what i meant by that is kick was loving with tills when he was 17 and she was 13, thats a 4 year difference, a 20 year old and 15 year old is 5 years apart, thats pretty much the same, even if kick technically isnt a child enthusiast, hes still near/right on the verge of being the same age as nick