Author Topic: [TRIGGER WARNING] how does religion exist in educated first world countries?  (Read 29205 times)


This has got to be bait, do you honestly believe this?

Concerning those folks who wanted statistics on religeous growth, Ifound this CNN article that talks about the growth of Christianity and Islam. Take it as you will:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/02/living/pew-study-religion/

I'd like to think that death is just a human resources manager that sends people to an afterlife based on their religion.

"Oh hey, John. Pearly gates are right this way."

"Hello again, Bill. Still a Buddhist? Great, do you remember where to go for reincarnation?"

"Hellenic, huh? Alright, river Styx's right over here."

"Agnostic? Hmm, take a seat and lets discuss your options."

Humans need a god figure in order to feel confident about their choices or feel forgiveness for morally degrading actions. Every religion in one way or another establishes a greater power or creator, whether it's one being, more than one, or the creator is the human soul itself. Either way the lack of said faith is a huge emotional blow. You can look at countries that have a huge non-aligned or non-religious population and probably find a way to relate it to depression or Self Delete cases.
This is completely untrue. You don't need a good figure to feel confident about your choices - you should have confidence in yourself from your own sake. Also, correlation does not imply causation (even if there is a correlation, which there probably isn't.)

This has got to be bait, do you honestly believe this?
Yes, this is my honest belief.
This is completely untrue.
So much for open minds.
This is completely untrue. You don't need a good figure to feel confident about your choices - you should have confidence in yourself from your own sake. Also, correlation does not imply causation (even if there is a correlation, which there probably isn't.)
And when you make a decisive mistake in your life, who will comfort you? Not everyone has friends who can help them, and not everyone has diamond-solid willpower to comfort themselves. Also the god figure can be the individuals themselves. There are many religions that promote trust and faith in your choices and existence. Your own soul can be your god if you so desire.
correlation does not imply causation (even if there is a correlation, which there probably isn't.)
This is a fair argument, however I wasn't declaring there was a correlation, I was just using the opportunity to say it's possible to correlate and determine it as a primary cause.
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Humans need a god figure in order to feel confident about their choices or feel forgiveness for morally degrading actions.

Maybe need isn't the proper word. It's a good substitute for relying on judgement from your peers or from higher authority, but you most certainly don't need faith to feel confident that your actions and choices are meaningful in any way.


Either way the lack of said faith is a huge emotional blow.

How so? I lack faith in anything and I'm emotionally stable. I don't look to a god for judgement of my actions and choices, and yet I feel confident when I make the right choices in life. It's not a case of being misguided, rather than I just don't hold a faith.


Even if you're a life-long atheist or non-religious being, you'll eventually find god in yourself or something else, given you don't suffer an untimely death. You can doubt it and be stubborn, but eventually it'll hit you.

So through a life of doubt and skepticism, are you saying that no matter what I would eventually become religious, or at the very least find a god? I have a hard time trying to understand what you mean.


And when you make a decisive mistake in your life, who will comfort you? Not everyone has friends who can help them, and not everyone has diamond-solid willpower to comfort themselves.

So the solution would be finding faith, or to those skeptic, coming up with an entity that you feel would forgive you. Sorry for the bluntness, but in a situation that you would need comfort for a real, physical mistake, I feel that one should seek comfort and judgement from those within immediate vicinity rather than turn towards religion as a fix-all for all societal issues.

Whats wrong with being confident in your own choices and morality? Being part of a religion isn't an effective way from stopping people from doing unmoral things and has (and continues to today) made people believe the things they are doing to be morally right.

Also when you are looking for the cause of something, its best not to have the answer already in your mind and build a case to support that. That's what happens with flat earther's alot

Whats wrong with being confident in your own choices and morality? Being part of a religion isn't an effective way from stopping people from doing unmoral things and has (and continues to today) made people believe the things they are doing to be morally right.
This is the exact reason why I found my own faith, not one that someone forced upon me. There's more than just the popular ones, you know.

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Everything you said is valid, and I really cannot argue with it. My argument is purely circumstantial, all based on my point of view and how I experienced it, and I cannot prove it. All I can say is Let it happen.
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I cannot speak for everyone, but I think the more we know science, the more magnificent we see God. I think that the pursuit of knowledge is quite noble, yet the more we learn about the universe, the more we know that we know nothing about how the universe. Science does ot disprove God, it only makes him more amazing.
dude, why can't all religious people be as cool as you?

This is the exact reason why I found my own faith, not one that someone forced upon me

Then why do you insist that everyone else should or eventually will?

This is the exact reason why I found my own faith, not one that someone forced upon me

But what Siren is saying is that religion has and is still being used as a means to justify acts that society views abhorrent or unacceptable, and that as an individual you should look inwards to be confident in your choices and morality rather than let your actions and thoughts be influenced by religion.

Then why do you insist that everyone else should or eventually will?
I'm not insisting or forcing anything upon anyone. I'm just saying it how I see it. Sorry if my communication skills are not up to par, english isn't my primary language

I'm not insisting or forcing anything upon anyone. I'm just saying it how I see it. Sorry if my communication skills are not up to par, english isn't my primary language

Humans need a god figure in order to feel confident about their choices or feel forgiveness for morally degrading actions

I would argue this is you saying Humans need faith/religion in order to be productive. You aren't being a massive cuntbag and throwing everyones arguments off with the usual stuff that usually crops up, I applaud you for actually holding an intelligent conversation

Why does it even matter why religion still exists? There it is, accept it and move on.

Why does it even matter why religion still exists? There it is, accept it and move on.

It used to be so bad that you could be killed for being accused of being a witch, having views that did not align with the countries religion or having a different belief, a few of those problems still exist today