[TRIGGER WARNING] how does religion exist in educated first world countries?

[Lockebox]

big robotic galaxy in the sky is real or not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy6_jqHKcTI

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[Jubel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy6_jqHKcTI

I was thinking of this

[hillkill]

not really. you can debate a deity truely exists simply because you believe in it. it is your world after all, you're the one at the helms, so you can choose if a big robotic galaxy in the sky is real or not.

word of mouth can't be the truth can it? if you were told when you were young that the holocaust never happened, would you believe it because it came from someones mouth? the reality of the holocaust is debated also

[Akio-]

There are thousands upon thousands of different gods and theoretically any one of them could be right. Being more popular =/= more likely to be right. Every single one of them fails where it matters most: Evidence. I'd rather not sacrifice my intellectual honesty for a one in several thousand chance at extra brownie points in the afterlife, and even then, my personality itself (Along with most other skeptics) completely disallows them from believing in something without solid evidence being presented. Putting on a facade of belief would do nothing but show that I'm intellectually dishonest and no god would accept someone who only pretended to believe them and nothing more.

I wasn't implying that one should simply believe in a more populated religion. It is up to you what you believe based on what you perceive as hard evidence. I'm not saying everyone should be religious, I'm saying that if you think there is hard evidence for a religion, it's only beneficial.

[hillkill]

I was thinking of this

i thought it was a reference to iron giant

[Daswiruch]

I fall under I guess you could say agnostic which is the belief if you know or don't know if god is real or not. There is just no other definition.

im gettin real sick of this stuff where people say agnostic and agnostic only
there are 4 types (as far as i know)
agnostic theist - not 100% certain supreme being but leaning towards supreme being
agnostic atheist - not 100% certain no supreme being but leaning towards no supreme being
gnostic theist - 100% certain supreme being
gnostic atheist - 100% certain no supreme being

[Lockebox]

i thought it was a reference to iron giant

plenty of robotic sky gods to choose from it seems

[Jubel]

word of mouth can't be the truth can it? if you were told when you were young that the holocaust never happened, would you believe it because it came from someones mouth? the reality of the holocaust is debated also

well, yeah. some people choose to believe it.
i could choose not to believe in the holocaust since I never witnessed it. why should it matter anyway. it's my own reality and i can believe whatever the forget i want.

Riddler was a fairy, jews don't have big noses (seriously guys leave me alone), and the holocaust was actually a ruse created by african militants.

[Daswiruch]

honestly i don't give a hundred-trillionth of a stuff when it comes to people believing in stuff
it becomes a problem when they try to force those beliefs onto other people

[hillkill]

well, yeah. some people choose to believe it.
i could choose not to believe in the holocaust since I never witnessed it. why should it matter anyway. it's my own reality and i can believe whatever the forget i want.

Riddler was a fairy, jews don't have big noses (seriously guys leave me alone), and the holocaust was actually a ruse created by african militants.

i never said you can't believe in what you want. i just said it can be debated from both ends, with no real conclusion.

[Akio-]

honestly i don't give a hundred-trillionth of a stuff when it comes to people believing in stuff
it becomes a problem when they try to force those beliefs onto other people

I agree with this. There's two sides to the problem though, ex "all religious people are idiots"

[Foxscotch]

im gettin real sick of this stuff where people say agnostic and agnostic only
there are 4 types (as far as i know)

not necessarily
agnostic alone means that you think it's impossible to know. you don't have to "lean towards" anything

[Daswiruch]

I agree with this. There's two sides to the problem though, ex "all religious people are idiots"

that falls under pushing beliefs onto others

not necessarily
agnostic alone means that you think it's impossible to know. you don't have to "lean towards" anything

bias is inherent in every situation
there is no true neutral

[Zack]

word of mouth can't be the truth can it? if you were told when you were young that the holocaust never happened, would you believe it because it came from someones mouth? the reality of the holocaust is debated also

The difference in this case being that the holocaust has evidence to it's existence, including bodies, pictures, and videos, not to mention still living firsthand accounts.

Though if people still don't believe after all that then that's just a fault of their trust more than a fault of the evidence.

[Ipquarx]

I wasn't implying that one should simply believe in a more populated religion. It is up to you what you believe based on what you perceive as hard evidence. I'm not saying everyone should be religious, I'm saying that if you think there is hard evidence for a religion, it's only beneficial.

I would love it if someone could present hard evidence of a religion, any religion. I would be extremely happy to convert if that were the case.
Just haven't seen any yet. I've seen thousands of attempts, but they've all fallen flat hilariously bad. One time a creationist did a guest lecture at my university, ooohohoho was that a stuffshow, all he did was pointlessly quotemine "evolutionists," create strawmans from outdated information, parrot dozens of easily debunked creationist cliches and then present a heavily flawed "explanation" for what we've observed and gave no evidence that it's actually true.

Funny thing is, I didn't even have enough time to explain to him why all his "research" was crap because he spent over half the question period giving a long-winded explanation for how mountains are formed that sounded like it was made up on the spot.