Nation Forge — Iron Desert [1863] — Beware the Ides of March

[Juncoph]

nationalist ideals and the ensuing centralization caused by them are pursued by the romekate government

this movement is helped by the recent publications about romekati culture

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[Operator¹]

The Serisian government sends an offer to the Maisner brothers to help engineer the Serisian variant of the Brandt rifle.

[Decepticon]

fortifications and other types of military structures start to be constructed along the eastern georgien border, and, though much more minor, the western border

military tech stuff for better rifles n pistols or guns generally I guess

[Waru]

fravath expands north east

[Badger]

Espovon looks into creating a dam at the source of the Danst river to improve fertility and create a reserve of water for future drought, Engineer and surveyors are set out on the task of measuring river depths and also consulting agriculture heads.

The plan is to gradually fill the dam in a manner that will not dry out the river or deny water to civilization downstream.

[Waru]

Fravath starts construction on a proper cbrown town in Orvern on the Rhon River after multiple reports of larger ships running aground in the river. It asks for funding from Kyrev, Seris, Millhamiah, Gruzia-Nec, and New Romekate.

The new cbrown town will not include gates or any physically impeding structures. 

[Swat 3]

Arcon sent the Anglish government a warning, and Anglond didn't respond.  This is the number one reason for high death tolls regarding tsunamis.

lol loving where. and if you put that in your calculation, did you calculate that an arconian ship got smashed by a tsunami trying to warn anglond?
"hm swat isn't here, but we told him something happened, but he didn't do anything!! lets punish him in spite and continue the action!!1"
Further, Operator can vouch for me that the entirety of Arcon buffered the Tsunami - its not like it steam plowed through an entire landmass and teleported into the Sea, and Izlandia (in further regard). Upon reaching Frisian shores, it would have lost CRAZY energy.

A.  This kind of action is too retroactive.  To say that Saccren poofs out of existence is different from saying that it poofs out of history. no im pretty sure it does in this case  I want to avoid a "case-by-case" type moderation i'm sorry but this is ridiculous - case-by-case moderation is fruitful, because it lets biases sneak in.  If Romekate disappeared, a lot more history would be reversed and altered if its entire legacy and historical contributions vanished. Saccren did jack stuff except for interacting with Anglond and maybe Avalonia. Romekate was in a massive loving war.
B.  Saccren disappearing and this action is on a moderation plane.  Swat and Jun's investments and actions are on an RP plane.  These should be kept separate. bs
C.  Once one moderator starts to moderate a situation, I'd really prefer if moderators would stay out of the others' business until the moderator finishes it as the action comes to a definite close. k

However, I guess as a consolation action I can say this:  The mysterious and total disappearance of Saccren has resulted in a number of results, namely:
1.  Anglish debts and inflation are now wholly contained between itself and New Romekate.  Almost all assets and liabilities of the EFCC disappear (exceptions include the Anglish-based administration offices and financial dealings).  The situation produces a minor depression lasting between 6 and 10 years, depending on performance.
2.  The value of Romekate gold begins to climb slowly.  The value seems highly contingent on whether the Anglish decide to pay back its debts.

AKA:
Saccren and all of its offensive and defensive, domestic and foreign formidable achievements wipe itself off the face of the planet for no reason. The National Bank poofs. The EFCC, and its economic value and assets, poof. No bother, though, because it still exists, only in Anglond, but a tiny bit! But the financial burden is still there! Still a crap-a-load of debt and inflation, though, but it's fine. It's not like Anglond gets anything from this.

If Saccren doesn't exist, all of its history doesn't exist, all of its relations don't exist, ever, then Anglond never tried to take it over. Anglond never made the EFCC. Anglond never asked for Romekate gold loan.

[Juncoph]

Fravath starts construction on a proper cbrown town in Orvern on the Rhon River after multiple reports of larger ships running aground in the river. It asks for funding from New Romekate.

this strays from our best interests, as new romekate never had the capacity to build large enough ships  for this to occur. we've always built with a river focus, as our only waters are river-based and our people are land-based. the concepts of watery horizons and coastal life are very foreign to us.


i agree with swat 3 when it comes to saccren. if you delete saccren instead of annexing it into anglond like it was going to anyway, then you should also delete the strain caused by the attempts at diplomatic annexation. it's like if you joined a company, got fired for no reason after buying a computer for your desk because for some reason the company was too cheap to have computers at all the desks, but when you're clearing your cubicle they don't let you take your computer home

and i disagree with the entire romekate-anglish debt bubble stuff too; it's from one government's surplus to another's deficit. the debt bubble is not forming because it's quite blatantly obvious that the indebted party cannot repay it while still using the damn loan. there was never a fixed "repay me now" time, nor a fixed interest - it's one government, in good faith, trusting another government to repay the debt when the government handing out the loan asks. and new romekate had not asked. it pulled out, yes, but this was only after moderator action judged that the romekate gold was inflated - which operator, swat 3 and i all disagree with, and pulling out does not mean asking for the debt to be repaid.

[CypherX]

how does one achieve inflation if you're not using paper money

[Maxwell.]

scotia inflates a balloon. this spells trouble for the scotian economy.

[Swat 3]

let's dispell the notion that inflation doesn't know what its doing. it knows exactly what its doing.

[Regirock]

L'zaar Ishibu's prediction of what a majority of the world's cities will look like in 40 years.

He also proceeds to rally up multiple tribes in order to form a confederation and quite possibly become a nation Riddler 101
Many of the tribes like his idea of a confederation of tribes however, some don't like the idea of a central government having control over their land and its natives and think of it as "inhumane" a majority of the tribes like the idea though.

[SWAT One]

lol loving where. and if you put that in your calculation, did you calculate that an arconian ship got smashed by a tsunami trying to warn anglond?
"hm swat isn't here, but we told him something happened, but he didn't do anything!! lets punish him in spite and continue the action!!1"¹
Further, Operator can vouch for me that the entirety of Arcon buffered the Tsunami - its not like it steam plowed through an entire landmass and teleported into the Sea, and Izlandia (in further regard). Upon reaching Frisian shores, it would have lost CRAZY energy.²

1.	While researching Mt. Tonnerre, Arconian and Romekati scientists notice that the lava dome is growing in the crater.  The immediate area up to 40 kilometers is evacuated as a small plume of ash is observed escaping the dome.  Arconian officials are given warning that a serious event could occur in the near future.  Arcon wishes to consult New Romekate on what actions should be taken regarding further study. Porte de l'Ouest and other coastal cities pile up lots of sandbags along harbors and coastlines.  Trade is restricted from going in and out for now. Avalonia, Wienza, Seris, Valbrandsvåg, Anglond, and Scotia are warned of the potential of a tsunami. Earthquakes of varying low to moderate intensity are felt throughout southeastern Wienza, Espovon, northern Kyrev, and Fravath. Note this was a little bit more than a year in advance and the tectonic strain involves more than just that around the volcano—AKA, it's not localized, and the Arconian ship would have long since reached Anglond.  The same plate boundary also lies off the Anglish coast.  And note also that we now have the telegraph, so woopdie doo I guess instantaneous communication hasn't crossed your mind.  Either way you put it, I warned everyone who would have been in the path of the tsunami.  Seris, Wienza and Anglond did not respond. Furthermore, I put out a tectonic map for both flavor and for creating a comprehensive geological survey, not for punitive actions against individuals, so you can take that lip elsewhere.
2.	For one, you are no stranger to my RPs.  Huge events and crazy natural disasters have never been up to secondary moderators.  Sorry if I didn't let Operator know, but you of most people here should be well aware.  Second, as stated before, this was not a localized event.  Tsunamis, earthquakes and the like are common along subduction zones, AKA, Mt. Tonnerre is not the only center.  You can read up on how it works on your own time.
3.	A.  This kind of action is too retroactive.  To say that Saccren poofs out of existence is different from saying that it poofs out of history. no im pretty sure it does in this caseI  I want to avoid a "case-by-case" type moderation i'm sorry but this is ridiculous - case-by-case moderation is fruitfulII, because it lets biases sneak in.  If Romekate disappeared, a lot more history would be reversed and altered if its entire legacy and historical contributions vanished. Saccren did jack stuff except for interacting with Anglond and maybe Avalonia. Romekate was in a massive loving war.III B.  Saccren disappearing and this action is on a moderation plane.  Swat and Jun's investments and actions are on an RP plane.  These should be kept separate. bsIV C.  Once one moderator starts to moderate a situation, I'd really prefer if moderators would stay out of the others' business until the moderator finishes it as the action comes to a definite close. k However, I guess as a consolation action I can say this:  The mysterious and total disappearance of Saccren has resulted in a number of results, namely: 1.  Anglish debts and inflation are now wholly contained between itself and New Romekate.  Almost all assets and liabilities of the EFCC disappear (exceptions include the Anglish-based administration offices and financial dealings).  The situation produces a minor depression lasting between 6 and 10 years, depending on performance. 2.  The value of Romekate gold begins to climb slowly.  The value seems highly contingent on whether the Anglish decide to pay back its debts. I.  Wow, when did you become moderator so that you could interpret and modify moderator actions? II.  Oh, I'm sorry.  Do you want me to give you special treatment ahead of the rest?  I'm sorry that your investments didn't work out, but when people make bad choices, it's not my job to patch them up and make it easy for them.  Furthermore, you acknowledged that you made a mistake in not notifying a moderator ahead of time about secret actions—It's standard protocol for everyone to prevent ass-pulling. III.  You built a huge company and kept its prices too low when you instructed me to have it make indefinite acquisitions.  Keeping a company in deep red is an easily foreseeable problem.  Again, had you contacted me beforehand via a secret action messag, I could have acted as an advisor in Anglon'd government or some economist to say that something is a bad idea, but it was too late by the time you told me. IV.  Why?  Why should they not be kept separate?  If you played Nations at War, (Sorry to bring up this awful past again, Plethora), a nation's actions and moderation actions were frequently one in the same.  Basically a massive empire was also the moderation force.  This is something I wanted to strictly avoid.  The moderation and RP actions that I took involved increased negative effects due to your negligence.  The tsunami's damage could have been minimized.  The debt bubble could have been prevented.  I only had a part to play after you didn't.  In both cases, I gave you fair warning via a post in the former case, and the rules in the latter.  What more did you want me to do?
4.	AKA: Saccren and all of its offensive and defensive, domestic and foreign formidable achievements wipe itself off the face of the planet for no reason. The National Bank poofs. The EFCC, and its economic value and assets, poof. No bother, though, because it still exists, only in Anglond, but a tiny bit! But the financial burden is still there! Still a crap-a-load of debt and inflation, though, but it's fine. It's not like Anglond gets anything from this.V If Saccren doesn't exist, all of its history doesn't exist, all of its relations don't exist, ever, then Anglond never tried to take it over. Anglond never made the EFCC. Anglond never asked for Romekate gold loan.VI V.  I think you misunderstand.  When Saccren ceased to exist, most of the EFCC disappeared, however, there is just the small matter of what Anglish bureaucratic resources were devoted to it, which is nearly negligible.  Other than that, there would have been a mixture of taxes, tariffs and prices raised in order for the Anglish market to survive against the artificially cheap Saccrenian market, making Anglish goods less favorable around the region.  The only way for Anglond to control this would be to raise Saccrenian prices via the EFCC, but no such action was taken.  Now that the EFCC is taken care of, there's just a small economic problem that needs to be addressed.  It would be more appropriate to say "disaster averted" here. VI.  It doesn't work retroactively.  All it does is cut out any further assets and liabilities from future history starting at the point at which it vanishes.  If anyone thinks otherwise, then it is a misconception, but now that this information is out there in the public, all should know that this is how it works.
5.	i agree with swat 3 when it comes to saccren. if you delete saccren instead of annexing it into anglond like it was going to anyway, then you should also delete the strain caused by the attempts at diplomatic annexation. it's like if you joined a company, got fired for no reason after buying a computer for your desk because for some reason the company was too cheap to have computers at all the desks, but when you're clearing your cubicle they don't let you take your computer homeVII and i disagree with the entire romekate-anglish debt bubble stuff too; it's from one government's surplus to another's deficit. the debt bubble is not forming because it's quite blatantly obvious that the indebted party cannot repay it while still using the damn loan. there was never a fixed "repay me now" time, nor a fixed interest - it's one government, in good faith, trusting another government to repay the debt when the government handing out the loan asks. and new romekate had not asked. it pulled out, yes, but this was only after moderator action judged that the romekate gold was inflated - which operator, swat 3 and i all disagree with, and pulling out does not mean asking for the debt to be repaid.VIII VII.  That's what happened.  The spread of damage is completely halted and contained, and to add to that, massively reduced. VIII.  Ah, this I didn't know.  I though that you meant to foreclose the loans, but thank you for clearing that up.  Nonetheless, it's a basic economic principle that surplus lowers price.  The irl world diamond market is heavily moderated to keep prices artificially high, even though diamonds are actually relatively cheap and common.

I will reply in a due update to other posts in a proper update later.

Also Swat, I should have you know that I have half a mind to ban you for a while for trying to go around my moderations and seek Operator to soften the blow for you.  I'd prefer if you take it up with me if you have a problem.  If Operator even comes to vouch for you privately before posting, that's just as fine.  Know, however, that a moderator's words are meant to be lasting, and any action that a moderator says happens is supposed to happen—thus, having him do this for you is a big violation of the game etiquette which I thought was understood.  The last thing I like to do is overturn another moderator's actions.  It leaves a bad taste in the thread.  Do all involved parties understand this?

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[CypherX]

how does one achieve inflation if you're not using paper money

[SWAT One]

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It's not necessarily about the presence of paper currency.  It's the value of goods, services, and the like.

Inflation is defined as a sustained increase in the general level of prices for goods and services. It is measured as an annual percentage increase. As inflation rises, every dollar you own buys a smaller percentage of a good or service.

nationalist ideals and the ensuing centralization caused by them are pursued by the romekate government

this movement is helped by the recent publications about romekati culture

Romekati nationalists form a political union called the "United Romekati Youth", an association for hardworking young men who share a goal of strengthening the nation as a collective, whether through agriculture, industry, or military.  They don gold and white armbands proudly.


A book is published in Landon presenting political and economic theories once referred to as leveling.  The book becomes popular amongst the lower classes in Anglond, Vlast, Espovon, Valbrandsvåg, and throughout all classes within Ruthenia.

Farmers begin to replant their fields after the tsunami devastated the countryside.


Those bodies of the dead that were found that can be identified are buried quickly after the tsunami.  Those that could not be identified are burned promptly to prevent the spread of disease.  Arcon follows the same protocol in the JAZ.  Over the next four years, the damage done by the tsunami will be repaired.  Although a great portion of the Arconian treasury is customarily saved each year in case of an emergency, Arcon will allocate this resource and the emergency fund towards recovery.

The rain, combined with ashfall in Arcon has brought about a blight on Arcon's wheat crop.  Bread prices rise significantly.  Rioting and looting occur as starvation occurs in a nation that once was one of plenty.  The police are sent to try to protect businesses, but are told to use brute force only if absolutely necessary.  A military brigade is assigned to each major city in garrison should tempers flare, but they are expected not to use any force.

The Arconian navy is conducting a small-scale operation to determine any changes in the navigability of the waters around Tonnerre Island and any area that would have swept a great deal of material out to sea.