POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

[Drydess]

actually NK being alive and well is good for us, in some fashions. it gives an excuse to the public for the US to get in south korea and simultaneously watch over russia, china, and the koreas---not to mention how it gives another public enemy to political radicals to look at rather than our own government
hell an attack on korea could """provoke""" any east asian powers

obviously the problem of their obsession with nukes should be stopped, but not in such a blunt manner

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[Nonnel]

The good thing is not even China or Russia support NK anymore because they're such a liability.
If nuclear weapons weren't in the equation, my biggest worry would be how even if we invade, China's going to invade, too, and they're going to expect a piece of the pie. Korea can't just get happily reunited.

[Foxscotch]

since we're talking about north korea again I guess

@people who think we should attack north korea: civilians will die, and they will be south korean civilians in seoul. no amount of stupid ass arguing about the semantics of "civilians" will change that. whatever american or south korean official were to make the decision to attack would be responsible for the lives of thousands of undeniably innocent south korean citizens lost at the hands of north korean artillery

[Texan101]

Why bother with a military intervention against a country that is literally falling apart?
If your enemy will fall on their own, why should you send your armies against them?
You're just sending people to die hoping to speed up the inevitable.

[Ipquarx]

Why bother with a military intervention against a country that is literally falling apart?
If your enemy will fall on their own, why should you send your armies against them?
You're just sending people to die hoping to speed up the inevitable.

It's a question of balancing deaths due to the extremely horrid government, and deaths due to a military invasion. It's not a simple question to answer

[Nonnel]

The best we can do is keep pushing foreign media through the borders so the North Koreans can understand just how forgeted up their country is, and accepting people who escape

[Texan101]

It's a question of balancing deaths due to the extremely horrid government, and deaths due to a military invasion. It's not a simple question to answer

When you realise people who live there,  conditioned or not,  usually support their government and hate us,  why should we spend the lives of our soldiers to liberate them?

[Nonnel]

Their lives aren't any less valuable because they don't like us

[Ipquarx]

When you realise people who live there,  conditioned or not,  usually support their government and hate us,  why should we spend the lives of our soldiers to liberate them?

Not only does that not make it okay for them to die, not only would I argue the exact opposite (Nobody deserves to live literally brainwashed by their government), not only is it completely wrong that everybody there supports their government (Most of them likely don't, most just can't do anything about it), but they're a danger to the entire world. The world would be better if the NK government was replaced with a truly democratic one. It's just a question of how do we do that.

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[cblock360]

When you realise people who live there,  conditioned or not,  usually support their government and hate us,  why should we spend the lives of our soldiers to liberate them?

Germany was liberated from the national socialists during WWII, and look at them now.

[Texan101]

Germany was liberated from the national socialists during WWII, and look at them now.

The difference is Germany was actually a threat while North Korea is crumbling on it's own. Also,  attacking North Korea would likely provoke China and Russia, and that's not a war we need to get into.
Just throwing away American lives.

[SeventhSandwich]

Germany was liberated from the national socialists during WWII, and look at them now.

Primarily because the national socialists invaded neighboring countries and Europe had to either fight back or be conquered. And even then, the United States didn't get involved until Pearl Harbor was bombed AND the national socialists officially declared war on us.

Since then, we've tried nation-building in Korea, Vietnam, and Iraq, and it's went stuffty every single time. It didn't even go particularly well in Germany either - remember the decades when Berlin was split up because the Soviets claimed half the city?


On a mostly unrelated note, anyone who earnestly votes yes in the current poll is handicapped.

[Frequency]

On a mostly unrelated note, anyone who earnestly votes yes in the current poll is handicapped.

yep, kinda tired of the world police meme

[Corderlain]

Should only go in if attacked. People these days don't seem to understand that civilian death and strife are a byproduct of war. Not saying it's good or okay, but it's just what happens. They'll be better off if the dictatorship is overturned(and we only go in if attacked first).