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A national holiday and allotted time for businesses seems like a good way to make sure no one's busy the day of.

Here's something to read if you're wondering why repetitive crises are inherent to capitalism.

as opposed to the chronic and unending crises of socialism

as opposed to the chronic and unending crCIA that is socialism

ftfy

Other person trying to make small talk: "God it sucks that Annoying Orange won. loving rednecks ruining the country."
Me: "Did you vote?"
Other: "No, I didn't have time/was busy/had class/was a hassle"
Me: "Then you can't complain. You could have voted against him but didn't."
Other: "..."
Had the exact same conversation with someone in my dorm floor from Pennsylvania on election night. Dude was a hardcore Hillary supporter whose state was lost to Annoying Orange by only 70k votes.


this is old and it was in election day but still a very interesting video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEW35UN8aPc

this is old and it was in election day but still a very interesting video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEW35UN8aPc
hadn't heard of this guy but he seems cool (because he likes F is for Family)

if there are regions without mail in ballots i guess its an acceptable excuse, but i doubt being at a college puts you too far from a polling place to just go anyways, so the person cappy is talking about is probably just a lazy starfish
Long-ass story about voter suppression below. Skip to the last two paragraphs if you want.

When I was voting in Georgia (which was arguably a worse idea than voting in Arizona, but ultimately inconsequential), I faced varying degrees of bureaucratic gridlock bullstuff along literally every step in the process. Starting from the beginning, I print out the voter registration form. It requires your SSID, a proof of residence, and a photo ID, regardless of the fact that possessing the first and third thing makes the second entirely obsolete, and a photo ID is the only thing they ask for at the polls.

So to do that, I get a proof of residence from my school. This itself takes like a week to do, and I have to go stand around in an office on the other side of campus to get it done. I photocopy my passport (because I don't drive, but that's admittedly my own fault, not the system's), and then mail the entire thing in a package to the county recorder's office.

Literally a month passes by and there is absolutely no indication that my form has been received, lost in the mail, rejected, or anything. I call up the county recorder's office, and they say that it'll probably show up online in a week. At this point, it is two weeks until the registration deadline. My registration shows up around five days til deadline, and low-and-behold, it is INCOMPLETE because I 'lacked a photo ID' even though my passport was photocopied in color and mailed along with the registration form.

I call them up again, tell them that they forgeted up with my photo ID, and the woman on the phone promises that they'll rectify it. Three days later, my registration is listed as complete.

Fast-forward to election day, and I go up to the registration table and the guy tells me that they can't find my registration. They go send me to the table for people with 'other complications' and the lady is telling me that despite having my SSID on her computer, she can't find my registration to vote. She starts telling me that I might have to vote provisionally (which is code for voting, but not having it counted), and it's only when I pull out my phone, open the county recorder's website, and show her both my registration page /and/ ID, that she lets me go through. In total, voting took me somewhere between 2-3 hours at a time when most people are expected to show up for work.

The reason I'm telling this story is because if I was working minimum-wage for ten hours a day and raising kids, I would not have had the time to wade through this entire miserable quagmire of bullstuff. My ability to successfully vote was because I'm in school, have free time and disposable income, and care a lot about politics.

So yeah, some people don't vote out of laziness or uninformed apathy. But anyone who says that we shouldn't make voting day a national holiday and ease up the registration process is an starfish. Anyone who is against that because they know it could potentially boost Democratic turnout is a malicious, corrupt starfish.
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hadn't heard of this guy but he seems cool (because he likes F is for Family)

my opinion on election month is kind of the same as his for the entire video but it's more chill

To be entirely honest I cant think of a reason why election day wouldn't be a national holiday? What do we lose by making it a holiday? It's an integral part of our society, and it would increase voter turnout, which is always a good thing. As for voter "suppression", IMO it shouldn't be that hard to get ID? I agree that the processes to get said ID should be streamlined but overall needing ID to vote isn't a problem.

but overall needing ID to vote isn't a problem.

but black people

Getting a voter ID should only be streamlined to the point that we can reliably say that people who shouldn't be voting in our elections aren't. Considering that you need a license to drive a car, own a gun, drink alcohol (more or less) and professionally do pretty much anything else, it's ridiculous to suggest that you shouldn't need the same kind of verification to vote.

And yes, election day should be a national holiday. loving duh.

To be entirely honest I cant think of a reason why election day wouldn't be a national holiday? What do we lose by making it a holiday?
it's part of voter suppression
all the people who can't get out of work to vote, you can rest assured they're not salaried, middle-class workers
whether it was deliberate or not I couldn't tell you for sure, these laws are pretty old, but anyone who argues against it is more than likely arguing against it for that reason
Getting a voter ID should only be streamlined to the point that...
so what exactly is your argument against "streamlining" as much as reasonably possible?

To be entirely honest I cant think of a reason why election day wouldn't be a national holiday? What do we lose by making it a holiday? It's an integral part of our society, and it would increase voter turnout, which is always a good thing. As for voter "suppression", IMO it shouldn't be that hard to get ID? I agree that the processes to get said ID should be streamlined but overall needing ID to vote isn't a problem.
National holidays are a drain on economy efficiency because they remove one day out of a 365-day year where people could be working. It's a valid problem, which is why I think the easiest solution is this:

Remove Columbus Day (a celebration of a genocidal terrorist that cut off kids' hands for gold) and replace it with Election Patriotism Day, which only really comes a month later than Columbus Day would anyway. Then, the economy isn't damaged and we can all continue to celebrate a holiday after everyone votes by eating barbecue or some stuff.

i never really got why colombus day of all things is a national holiday