POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

[Red Spy]

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[Køtt]

slightly unrelated but i have no idea why people think certain US states would do alright if they are a country

[Drydess]

they think that just because theyre big means that they could be self sustaining
it's pretty stupid because while the us is a big forgetin place it pretty much needs all of its little bits in pieces to thrive as it does. revolution of the state wouldnt work unless every individual state did it and the us just became a bunch of micronations so that we could import and export well

[LeisureSuit912]

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[Red Spy]

slightly unrelated but i have no idea why they think certain US states would do alright if they are a country

i mean places like texas or new york would be ok because of the industry in the area but other places like utah fall flat. i mean it's not like states are designed to be completely self sufficient because then a government wouldn't be needed

[Køtt]

i mean places like texas or new york would be ok because of the industry in the area but other places like utah fall flat. i mean it's not like states are designed to be completely self sufficient because then a government wouldn't be needed

i just think economically or environmentally it would be a disaster, states need certain resources from each other and if they are suffering bad weather, california's drought for example, it wouldn't go great for them.

[Red Spy]

i just think economically or environmentally it would be a disaster, states need certain resources from each other and if they are suffering bad weather, california's drought for example, it wouldn't go great for them.

i mean it's not like they'd be completely shunned from trade or anything
think of it like a brexit situation. england leaving the eu doesn't mean they can't trade with anyone inside of it. that'd be dumb. they'd try to have the best outcomes on both sides to still have good relations without being apart of a union. hell texas was literally a country for like 20 years and they did fine until they joined us

[Køtt]

think of it like a brexit situation. england leaving the eu doesn't mean they can't trade with anyone inside of it. that'd be dumb. they'd try to have the best outcomes on both sides to still have good relations without being apart of a union. hell texas was literally a country for like 30 years and they did fine until they joined us

i see where you are coming from, yeah, but you do know that the EU's not a country unlike the US, right? we're talking about a country which has states/provinces like Canada or Mexico for example.

and yeah, texas was independent on it's own, but it was at a different time, so i don't really see how it could work for this year. don't get me wrong, i know where you're going, i agree, but i think you're kinda just using examples that have some level of difference.

[ultimamax]

i mean it's not like they'd be completely shunned from trade or anything
think of it like a brexit situation. england leaving the eu doesn't mean they can't trade with anyone inside of it. that'd be dumb. they'd try to have the best outcomes on both sides to still have good relations without being apart of a union. hell texas was literally a country for like 20 years and they did fine until they joined us

Yeah but trading with a completely separate nation comes with all kinds of tariffs and stuff right? It'd be much harder for an independent state to get the resources it once did, especially when you consider how much of its funding already came from the federal government

[SeventhSandwich]

i mean places like texas or new york would be ok because of the industry in the area but other places like utah fall flat.

I think the whole factoid about California being the 6th largest economy by itself is kind of a lie, since California doesn't exist in a vacuum. California has an enormous agricultural sector that supplies the rest of the country, and there would naturally be barriers to trade as a result of being in different countries.

Not only that, but if California seceded (or any other state for that matter), you'd see a massive flight of human capital out of that state which would gimp that state(country?)'s economy for decades to come.

[Køtt]

environmentally i think California needs some body of water from the other states, like Nevada and Arizona i think since it is suffering a drought (unless if that completely went away, it'd still be dry), like colorado river. converting salt water to pure water is a bit difficult too and if they don't get any luck from negotiating with the other states if it were it's own country then they'd be on a bad state. that's kind of just my informed opinion...

[Deus Ex]

If California were to secede what would stop us from simply rolling in with the army and... idk, taking it back?

This is a genuine question, are there any protections for seceding states or are they just out on their own

[Køtt]

oh yeah isn't there like a forgetton of army forts and bases there too that the USA owns

[Red Spy]

environmentally i think California needs some body of water from the other states, like Nevada and Arizona i think since it is suffering a drought (unless if that completely went away, it'd still be dry), like colorado river. converting salt water to pure water is a bit difficult too and if they don't get any luck from negotiating with the other states if it were it's own country then they'd be on a bad state. that's kind of just my informed opinion...

most of california's been out of the drought for a while now

[Verification]

Texas and California would do great as individual countries. They're already wealthy and basically seperate from the rest of the united states, and Texas has had it's own government before. Let's not forget they can still trade with the united states and they won't be restricted by the bounds of the US and the people have WAYYYY more say of what happens in them, and if anything bad happens they won't represent the country and people can immigrate back to the US.