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Author Topic: POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD  (Read 2832276 times)

i guess winning means being on the constant defense about bad decisions aye?

Bank robbers are not the same as illegals. The child of a bank robber is not automatically a bank robber. On the other hand, crossing the border with your parents still makes you an illegal alien.
Because DACA ended and because conservatives refuse to reform on immigration issues. That is the only reason why. There is no reason why a society that writes its own laws can't change the system. By defending this you are defending the ideal of screwing over innocent, hard-working people. Pointing out that they're 'illegal' is redundant because it's fully within our power to change that.

because they're here illegally?
by whose choice? they didn't decide to come to the US illegally, their parents did, and they were brought along for the ride. they didn't choose to break the law, and the yet law punishes them twofold: they effectively can't become citizens, and they can't be allowed to stay. there's no course of action for them to put themselves in the right place with the law, they were doomed from the beginning to be criminals with no way out. by letter of law, they're illegal citizens, but that doesn't mean the law is right and that doesn't mean we can't talk about improving it to make it more fair, and we don't have to force ourselves to enforce it for the sake of order when we're acknowledging that it's unjust.
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if a law considers you a criminal for simply existing incorrectly through no fault of your own then i'd consider that a pretty mcfreakin poorly written law. i can agree in principle at least that people who enter a country illegally are breaking the law and should be punished (in the context of US law my opinion isn't as straightforward because of gripes i have with the system, but it at least logically follows and i acknowledge that), though children who simply got brought along for the ride aren't accomplices. they aren't complicit in the crimes of people who made the decisions for them and i don't see why they should suffer the same consequences.

Anyone who enters this country through illegal means is an illegal immigrant. You being cognizant of the fact that you crossed the border illegally is irrelevant. The act in and of itself is illegal. Just because Jaunito was still suckling his mom when she came here doesn't mean he's not illegal. He's still illegal. That's just the fact of the matter. That's the whole point of having a border. What, are we gonna let people start chucking their children over the wall and just keep them? They suffer the same consequences because them being here is a crime itself. It has nothing to due with sins-of-the-father nonsense. It's just how immigration laws work.

if obama bin laden didn't install those mandatory conveyor belts on the mexican border we wouldn't even be dealing with all these illegal immigrants, believe me

Stop drinking

Because DACA ended and because conservatives refuse to reform on immigration issues. That is the only reason why. There is no reason why a society that writes its own laws can't change the system. By defending this you are defending the ideal of screwing over innocent, hard-working people. Pointing out that they're 'illegal' is redundant because it's fully within our power to change that.

Myeh myeh muh innocent working peepuh shut the forget up
I don't give a stuff about their sob story or how hard they're working they're still ILLEGAL and that's all that matters in terms of dishing out punishment by law. As I said, we should make exceptions for certain cases, like those that ended up in the military or maybe even those that are already in college or whatever, and those who have been here since infancy and genuinely do not know any other country but America, but having a job doesn't mean you get to stay here. That's some bullstuff. Get out of here with that. Those are jobs that can - and damn well should - go to legal citizens.
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>when the government can't be trusted to regulate guns, but anything labeled 'illegal' must be defended in the face of overwhelming logical and moral contradictions
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I'm perfectly sober Deus Ex, but you don't seem to get that you aren't. You aren't sober to the reality of how things truly are, how mexicans are being treated in america. We're going to look back at how we treated our own citizens with disgust and shame.

>when the government can't be trusted to regulate guns, but anything labeled 'illegal' must be defended in the face of overwhelming logical and moral contradictions
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epep

>when the government can't be trusted to regulate guns, but anything labeled 'illegal' must be defended in the face of overwhelming logical and moral contradictions
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Cry some more. You're still being deported Jose

they pretend they are all humanitarian. but they need those illegal votes.

literally saying that children who have lived in the U.S their entire known life deserve to be deported back to a place they have no memory of lmao

Cry some more. You still being deported Jose
you don't even live here lol

they pretend they are all humanitarian. but they need those illegal votes.

illegal votes are fake news!

literally saying that children who have lived in the U.S their entire known life deserve to be deported back to a place they have no memory of lmao
yeah that sounds about right

you don't even live here lol


Land will be fairly cheap after all you roosterroaches are rightfully deported

Anyone who enters this country through illegal means is an illegal immigrant. You being cognizant of the fact that you crossed the border illegally is irrelevant. The act in and of itself is illegal. Just because Jaunito was still suckling his mom when she came here doesn't mean he's not illegal. He's still illegal. That's just the fact of the matter. That's the whole point of having a border. What, are we gonna let people start chucking their children over the wall and just keep them? They suffer the same consequences because them being here is a crime itself. It has nothing to due with sins-of-the-father nonsense. It's just how immigration laws work.

Stop drinking
you're speaking exclusively to the letter of the law and you're right. the discussion is about whether the law is fair and if it should be changed, and that is the relevance of my rhetoric