POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

[otto-san]

Annoying Orange loves the mexicans. We love the mexicans. Everyone is american on the inside, we just want them to come legally.

this gives me an amazing idea for a comedy bit

nothing says "welcome to america, where you're loved and accepted!" like a loving gigantic wall across the border

_{(i'm not trying to be contentious, i think i get what you really mean lol)}

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[Kingdaro]

no, a proper and fair background check is exactly what we need, and securing the border enables such a process to take place. If the only way in is through a background check, I would be happy.

Are we not doing that already? I thought we were, because it seemed like a reasonable thing to do. Hrm.

I hate to be cliche but I have a hard time putting my anger at Sanders' pandering into words, so I'll have to give you a quote instead. Sherman Alexie once wrote, "Surely I'm angry at the way Indians have been and continue to be treated, but I don't think it's a helpless emotion." The key phrase is helpless, and that's where I disagree with Bernie. I don't think we as a people are helpless, we just have very little muscle to actually get anything done, being 2% of the population. Bernie implies that without him, minorities are helpless, and it is incredibly demeaning, insulting, and in my opinion, worse than anything Annoying Orange has said.

I can understand the viewpoint, but even mentioning you guys is a little more than what other politicians have done as of late. Bringing up the issue and raising awareness in and of itself helps more than saying or doing nothing. And as insulting as the statement will seem at face value... it doesn't seem fair to hold contempt for one of the few people in power who says they'll help? And yeah, people go back on their word, but again, it's still better than saying nothing, and Sanders' record when it comes to social justice is pretty impressive.

[Cappytaino]

Are we not doing that already? I thought we were, because it seemed like a reasonable thing to do. Hrm.
I can understand the viewpoint, but even mentioning you guys is a little more than what other politicians have done as of late. Bringing up the issue and raising awareness in and of itself helps more than saying or doing nothing. And as insulting as the statement will seem at face value... it doesn't seem fair to hold contempt for one of the few people in power who says they'll help? And yeah, people go back on their word, but again, it's still better than saying nothing, and Sanders' record when it comes to social justice is pretty impressive.

illegal immigrants bypass background checks, but yes, you are right that those coming through the legal process will be checked. The reason a wall is needed is to make it difficult for people to enter the country illegally, bypassing all of the safeguards in place.

[Kingdaro]

illegal immigrants bypass background checks, but yes, you are right that those coming through the legal process will be checked. The reason a wall is needed is to make it difficult for people to enter the country illegally, bypassing all of the safeguards in place.

And I understand that viewpoint too. People there should go through the process like the rest of the world. They shouldn't receive special treatment. And it's easy to say that when looking at them from a political standpoint as nothing more than a +1 to our population.

But I didn't really think about it until now. That is, why they do it in the first place. If the legal process is long and arduous, then maybe someone would hop over the border to avoid going through the effort. But - and correct me if I'm wrong - you can get potentially jailed or even shot from doing so. And aren't there fences with barbed wire, with security dogs too? Is avoiding the process really worth risking your life or health? I don't really know exactly how difficult it is to pass without hiding in someone's trunk (and I'm not even sure if that's a thing) but, the bottom line is it can't possibly be that easy.

So why? ...To escape poverty, maybe to escape abuse from another where the law failed to step in? Or just to seek a better life, free from poverty? Even if it wouldn't be much better? Maybe to find more safety from the aforementioned crime in Mexico, especially if you have kids. Or maybe to see a loved one. And of course, some people go over for less morally correct reasons, but those are a minority, and likely to be caught eventually anyway. And the bottom line here is that people are desperate. You have to really be in deep stuff to do something like that, physically, emotionally, financially or otherwise.

So why kick them out? Welcome them. I agree that they should go through the process, but we should let them do so through a method and pace that's a little more open and a little less strict. Help them believe that we're their friends, and they'll cooperate more often. No, we need to become friends with them. Distrust is a terrible thing. More than likely, it's the whole reason they left home in the first place. We need to see minorities less as that and more as people, because that's what they are. That's what we are. We're all the same, so why look at them as though they're animals?

And I accidentally went off on a tangent again. forget. But like, I never actually had a view on the issue before now. A perfect world is impossible, but we've gotta at least try. Maybe even help Mexico with their crime somehow and circumvent the fear of it back at home. Maybe. I can dream a little. But that's why I won't ever run for president.

[Drydess]

Most of the anti-sanders people I've come across them (note I said most, not all) are either "guh commie" or immediately bringing up his few faults


Sanders is the kind of leader that wouldn't necessarily do things, but would bring previously dropped important topics to discussion, then would have to leave before he's able to fix problems because he'd take a long time doing them

I don't really understand how people can hate sanders and support, for instance, Cruz, Rubio, Annoying Orange, etc. They're all completely unreasonable people with loads and loads of problems, mostly emotional and relative to their beliefs (ex. anti-homoloveuality, or anti-mexicans).
Hell, Cruz is probably the worst person up there, he sounds like a legitimately forgeted up person. His speeches remind me of speeches of Riddler when I was studying him a few months ago.

As for Annoying Orange, I support border control, but I fail to see how spending more than half of the national treasury (already deep in debt) on building a loving wall will fix the problem of illegal immigrants or smugglers
Also I generally don't like people with an unstoppable desire for national defence, just because to me it sounds completely unreasonable to just cast aside thought before action, or sentimental values for practical uses.

Tl;dr all of the current candidates are at least half-insane, but sanders is the most sane one out of them, also forget Annoying Orange and cruz

[Nonnel]

this gives me an amazing idea for a comedy bit

nothing says "welcome to america, where you're loved and accepted!" like a loving gigantic wall across the border

_{(i'm not trying to be contentious, i think i get what you really mean lol)}

sort of like the opposite of the statue of liberty's symbolism

[Cappytaino]

Most of the anti-sanders people I've come across them (note I said most, not all) are either "guh commie" or immediately bringing up his few faults


Sanders is the kind of leader that wouldn't necessarily do things, but would bring previously dropped important topics to discussion, then would have to leave before he's able to fix problems because he'd take a long time doing them

I don't really understand how people can hate sanders and support, for instance, Cruz, Rubio, Annoying Orange, etc. They're all completely unreasonable people with loads and loads of problems, mostly emotional and relative to their beliefs (ex. anti-homoloveuality, or anti-mexicans).
Hell, Cruz is probably the worst person up there, he sounds like a legitimately forgeted up person. His speeches remind me of speeches of Riddler when I was studying him a few months ago.

As for Annoying Orange, I support border control, but I fail to see how spending more than half of the national treasury (already deep in debt) on building a loving wall will fix the problem of illegal immigrants or smugglers
Also I generally don't like people with an unstoppable desire for national defence, just because to me it sounds completely unreasonable to just cast aside thought before action, or sentimental values for practical uses.

Tl;dr all of the current candidates are at least half-insane, but sanders is the most sane one out of them, also forget Annoying Orange and cruz

the estimate I saw of around ~6.4 billion isn't half of the national Treasury. In 2013, the USA had a GNP of 16.99 trillion dollars. Essentially, this is the value of all goods and services produced by us citizens inside and outside of the US. I think we can spare some change to build a fence, especially when the potential benefits are so massive. I don't agree with everything Annoying Orange says, but saying that a border fence would take up that much of our income is ludicrous.

[Biostorm]

Annoying Orange loves the mexicans. We love the mexicans. Everyone is american on the inside, we just want them to come legally.

Except for Muslims, they're banned from entering the US

[IkeTheGeneric]

Building a wall on the Mexican border will a public relations hellstorm and anyone who unironically thinks it's a good idea need to take into account that no matter what low price Annoying Orange associates with the wall, the cost of maintaining it will far exceed any other infrastructure costs around the country.

That and the wall would be completely useless. There are far better ways (and cheaper!!!!!!) to police a border.

[MoltenKitten]

There are far better ways (and cheaper!!!!!!) to police a border.

Like invading Mexico and killing everyone 

[IkeTheGeneric]

Like invading Mexico and killing everyone 

Would actually probably be cheaper than building the wall

[Maxwell.]

Would actually probably be cheaper than building the wall

well then whats the hold up????

[Biostorm]

well then whats the hold up????

PC SJW libtards that don't want us to kill a bunch of mexicans for the good of our country

[Frequency]

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[Niff]

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