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also, slightly off the topic at hand, but my god scott adams is loving amazing




at least the money would be put to good use, rather than sitting in a bank account

like, oh no, your precious money is being used to better the country (which in turn makes living less expensive)
so throw away some of the core values of western democracy

socialism is literally the best way to ensure poverty and a stuffty life for everyone.

This is what's wrong
well I was just...... joking..
you know, vuvuzelas, when they were a thing during the 2010 fifa world cup...
but that's kinda sad, and also doesn't really sound like it has anything to do with socialism. it is definitely funny to think of black market french fries though

and also doesn't really sound like it has anything to do with socialism.
What makes you say that

What makes you say that
the article's not very subtle about the cause
"With crude oil prices dropping, Venezuela has seen its revenue base collapse, since oil accounts for around 95% of the nation’s export revenue, according to Bloomberg. This has caused foreign exchange reserves to dwindle and a shortage of basic goods, leading to a recession and what amounts to a spiking inflation rate."

put to good use doing what

i understand that you think its a good idea because it will help poor people or something but where does my motivation to even work go

whats the point in working if every time i start to get up in the world it gets taken away

no one will care to even try harder because they know as soon as they get to the top they will get stuff on by the government
i think i understand the rationale, but reasonable taxes aren't going to stop people from making money. you still benefit from having a higher income under our tax system, and there's no way someone would give up the opportunity to make more money only because it'll be taxed. also consider that the more income you make, the larger the amount of disposable income. ie someone making $40k a year will probably be using all or most of that income, and someone making $100k will almost certainly be using only a portion of it. the government certainly isn't taking all of your money, and they certainly aren't taking enough that making $100k is effectively identical to making $40k. that's an extreme of socialism that doesn't work (it discourages productivity because it removes incentive like you said), it's not how our tax system works, and it's not where any candidate is intentionally trying to steer us.

so throw away some of the core values of western democracy

socialism is literally the best way to ensure poverty and a stuffty life for everyone.
pure socialism, yeah. it's also a nice way to make sure everyone has access and a right to stuff like education, healthcare, and roads which are entirely sound investments that actually generate a return in the economy

well I was just...... joking..
you know, vuvuzelas, when they were a thing during the 2010 fifa world cup...
but that's kinda sad, and also doesn't really sound like it has anything to do with socialism. it is definitely funny to think of black market french fries though
I understood your joke quite clearly.

The problem is two-fold.

The first is that Venezuela's economy mainly was driven by agriculture and oil. Chavez seized the farms and then couldn't run them (go socialism!) so obviously, revenue from agriculture is down and food is in short supply.

Then the price of oil dropped worldwide, so now the state's only developed industry isn't making much money at all. There is no diversification. They rely purely on the price of this oil. You can see why less revenue means more inflation.

A free market would still be hurting from the plunge in oil prices, but wouldn't completely and catastrophically collapse like Venezuela.

The USSR is the only socialist economy to even come close to the US in influence and strength, but they completely lacked stability and had to reform under Gorbachev or face collapse ( Khozraschyot info)
« Last Edit: June 08, 2016, 02:27:47 PM by Cappytaino »

the point of capitalism is the freedom to capitalize. socialism doesn't allow that.

the point of capitalism is the freedom to capitalize. socialism doesn't allow that.
you don't go to the extreme of a socialist command economy, and you don't go to the extreme of a capitalist free economy. neither extremes work too beautifully, so pretty much every nation has a market economy where they're mixed. and it's worked pretty well for quite a while

you don't go to the extreme of a socialist command economy, and you don't go to the extreme of a capitalist free economy. neither extremes work too beautifully, so pretty much every nation has a market economy where they're mixed. and it's worked pretty well for quite a while
The goals of socialist programs aren't the problem. It's the "how the forget do we pay for this" part. I already pay a lot of money in tax and raising it would forget me even more considering I'm a college student making minimum wage.

Saying "tax wealthy people more" will only make them leave the country and cause an entirely different problem. Look at the state of California as an example. Implementing a Mental Health Tax caused wealthy people to go elsewhere.
« Last Edit: June 08, 2016, 02:40:12 PM by Cappytaino »

The goals of socialist programs aren't the problem. It's the "how the forget do we pay for this" part. I already pay a lot of money in tax and raising it would forget me even more considering I'm a college student making minimum wage.

Saying "tax wealthy people more" will only make them leave the country and cause an entirely different problem. Look at the state of California as an example. Implementing a Mental Health Tax caused wealthy people to go elsewhere.
yeah that's the tricky part. i don't think it's as simple as "taxes high, people leave," because there's more keeping people in america than just making money, and there would have to be some extreme changes for people to leave the country entirely just because of taxation. but financing social programs is obviously something that has to be considered. alabama is in a really stuff state right now because of how the state government is handling this stuff. we can't really do without social programs, but our state has trouble managing the budget because every time a tax referendum comes up people refuse to pass it, and for good enough reason: nobody likes taxes and nobody wants to pay more. life would be significantly more stuff if the government didn't provide anything for us, and it's just have my own feeling that i'm fine paying my government bill, because it helps keep our standard of living higher overall. since i want government to provide public services for me and everyone else, i have to accept the fact that they don't come for free.