POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

[beachbum111111]

Maybe it's because we left after we beat their asses and we barely tried to make them like us.

Actually you tried to make them EXACTLY like america. Thats why Japan is like what it is right now.

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[Magus]

we were in japan at the end of wwii
and korea after that war
oh and don't forget germany

you could call that "imperialism"
oh but wait they aren't chopping heads off and raping women why is that

Maybe it's because we left after we beat their asses and we barely tried to make them like us. Look up the Golden Arches Theory and you'll see why Germany, Japan and Korea are the way they are now.

You can even take that back all the way to the Philippines in the 1800s. Only real reason the country's forgeted up right now is because of Rodrigo Duterte. Otherwise, they're somewhat ok.

Clearly not everybody seems to know what Imperialism was. Imperialism was going into foreign lands and conquering them for the sole purpose of extracting resources. Germany and Japan were themselves Imperialist powers. Areas that were affected by Imperialism include the entirety of the Americas, almost all of Africa, the Middle East, Southeast Asia, basically everywhere except Europe. Again turning to Germany and Japan, the U.S. was throwing around loads of cash under the Marshall Plan to rebuild those nations.
As for the Middle East, back in WW1, the arabs were promised sovereignty by the British in exchange for military aid against the Ottomans. At the end, the British betrayed them and kept them in the Empire. At the end of WW2, people sitting in rooms far away from the lands in question drew lines on maps, forming the 'stans. Afghanistan, Iran, and Iraq were the richest, most developed countries in the Middle East. Then the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan, destroying infrastructure, demolishing the society. The U.S. gave support and weapons to this guy named Osama bin Laden who fought the Soviets, but no money or presence for reconstruction. Iran hates the U.S. because the CIA overthrew their democratic government and installed a dictator. Later, Saddam and a U.S. invasion happened to Iraq, leaving Iran, a country that hates us, as the dominant power. And that is why the Middle East a) hates us and b) is so unstable.

Notanedit: I reread your post before posting, no idea what you're trying to say about imperialism, reconstruction, and Japan and Germany. Here's this history dump anyway. Enjoy.

[Tactical Nuke]

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The plan in Iraq was to take out Saddam and hold free elections, turning the country in our favor.

Saddam and the Baathists were thugs who had gassed the Kurds and had done stuff even worse. Iraqis did not like Saddam.

The plan would have gone swimmingly if not for our abrupt depart from Iraq. If it had worked in Japan, where everyone hated us, and Germany, where a lot of people hated us, then Iraq was just another routine conversion for us.

On a slight tangent, I've noticed that a lot of people who criticize Bush for Iraq don't ever bring up the bombs Obama dropped on Libya which contributed to Muammar Gadhafi's dethronement and execution.

[Red Spy]

On a slight tangent, I've noticed that a lot of people who criticize Bush for Iraq don't ever bring up the bombs Obama dropped on Libya which contributed to Muammar Gadhafi's dethronement and execution.

People default to Bush if you harshly criticize Obama


Sorta like "But Annoying Orange!!"

[Magus]

The plan in Iraq was to take out Saddam and hold free elections, turning the country in our favor.

Saddam and the Baathists were thugs who had gassed the Kurds and had done stuff even worse. Iraqis did not like Saddam.

The plan would have gone swimmingly if not for our abrupt depart from Iraq. If it had worked in Japan, where everyone hated us, and Germany, where a lot of people hated us, then Iraq was just another routine conversion for us.

On a slight tangent, I've noticed that a lot of people who criticize Bush for Iraq don't ever bring up the bombs Obama dropped on Libya which contributed to Muammar Gadhafi's dethronement and execution.

Right, I forgot the Kurds. There's a metaphor in here somewhere. They got particularly shafted since there's no Kurdistan.
Unfortunately for Iraqi democracy, they have several ethnic groups that hate each other (such as the Kurds).

As for the Gaddafi thing... I got nothing. Look at the current state of the place... actually, has it been in the news at all besides being a place where I.S.I.S. has some presence? Maybe it's because Libya wasn't as significant to the balance of power.

On a third note, as my International Current Events teacher noted: First war with Iraq had a clear goal: keep them out of Kuwait. Second war (and second Bush): invade Iraq, topple Hussein, and then what? Recent politics seems to have been lacking "and then what."

[beachbum111111]

On a third note, as my International Current Events teacher noted: First war with Iraq had a clear goal: keep them out of Kuwait. Second war (and second Bush): invade Iraq, topple Hussein, and then what? Recent politics seems to have been lacking "and then what."

You almost have to either put in another dictator or spend years rebuilding and educating the people there. The problem with the latter is guerrilla warfare. Which would mean in order to curb it you would have to be ruthless and heartless. ie "you kill one soldier, we kill off one town".

[SeventhSandwich]

The plan in Iraq was to take out Saddam and hold free elections, turning the country in our favor.

Saddam and the Baathists were thugs who had gassed the Kurds and had done stuff even worse. Iraqis did not like Saddam.

The plan would have gone swimmingly if not for our abrupt depart from Iraq.

Okay, so, leaving Iraq was not the 'only problem' with the Iraq war. The fact we even entered the country to begin with (on false premises of WMDs), proceeded to remove the established leadership, and then created a huge anti-American sentiment in the region by causing immense collateral damage, are all reasons why the Iraq war was a bad idea. You've conveniently left out all of the main problems with that conflict and only left in the single problem for which Obama is responsible.

Also, 'taking out Saddam and holding free elections' is only okay when Iraqis have a hand in doing it. There was no consensus in Iraq that it was alright for us to just overstep Iraqi sovereignty and completely restructure their government. For instance, imagine if China decided that it was unbearable the way that we treat minority groups, so they just decided to come in and remove Obama from office and take over our political process. Would that be acceptable to you?

[beachbum111111]

so they just decided to come in and remove Obama from office and take over our political process. Would that be acceptable to you?

The Soviets did that and it sort of worked.

Also

[Decepticon]

this was made to slander jimmy fallon but Riddler is just too cute here

[Shift Kitty]

Yeah. If Riddler had a little blep tongue and big cute cheeks i'd tickle his lil mustache too.

[Rally]

this was made to slander jimmy fallon but Riddler is just too cute here

1 mean word is the equivalent of 6 gorillion deaths

[beachbum111111]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXrsSGEvDf4

Also heres a thing about Clinton https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiR1QR0E-JA

[Tezuni 2.0]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k61I1srYHW0

[beachbum111111]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k61I1srYHW0

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[Tactical Nuke]

Right, I forgot the Kurds. There's a metaphor in here somewhere. They got particularly shafted since there's no Kurdistan.
Unfortunately for Iraqi democracy, they have several ethnic groups that hate each other (such as the Kurds).

As for the Gaddafi thing... I got nothing. Look at the current state of the place... actually, has it been in the news at all besides being a place where I.S.I.S. has some presence? Maybe it's because Libya wasn't as significant to the balance of power.

On a third note, as my International Current Events teacher noted: First war with Iraq had a clear goal: keep them out of Kuwait. Second war (and second Bush): invade Iraq, topple Hussein, and then what? Recent politics seems to have been lacking "and then what."

ding ding ding that's what my international relations teacher told me too and I agree with that statement

Yes, the plan was to make a capitalist democracy but I think the plan got too muddled before Bush and the new government of Iraq could stabilize the country. Obama leaving Iraq didn't help whatsoever. Had we stayed for a while and trained Iraqi troops there's a good chance CIA might not exist right now.

Okay, so, leaving Iraq was not the 'only problem' with the Iraq war. The fact we even entered the country to begin with (on false premises of WMDs), proceeded to remove the established leadership, and then created a huge anti-American sentiment in the region by causing immense collateral damage, are all reasons why the Iraq war was a bad idea. You've conveniently left out all of the main problems with that conflict and only left in the single problem for which Obama is responsible.

Also, 'taking out Saddam and holding free elections' is only okay when Iraqis have a hand in doing it. There was no consensus in Iraq that it was alright for us to just overstep Iraqi sovereignty and completely restructure their government. For instance, imagine if China decided that it was unbearable the way that we treat minority groups, so they just decided to come in and remove Obama from office and take over our political process. Would that be acceptable to you?

if we're talking about consensus, I'd ask PM Barham Salih.