POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

[Red Spy]

that just proves my point. the DSM-5 recognizes gender dysphoria, and the American Psychiatric Association is comprised of people much smarter than you and I. choosing to disregard it is, unquestionably, anti-science

The APA is politicized and has been since before your dad banged your mom and made you

And isn't it a little weird that up until a few years ago it was called Gender Identity Disorder?

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[Akio-]

does "gender dysphoria" apply to additional "genders"

[DrenDran]

that just proves my point. the DSM-5 recognizes gender dysphoria, and the American Psychiatric Association is comprised of people much smarter than you and I. choosing to disregard it is, unquestionably, anti-science

Were psychologists just as intelligent back when homoloveuality was a mental disorder?

Seems like you have to accept that what is or is not a mental disorder is based on subjective notions of normalcy.

[Poliwhirl]

The APA is politicized and has been since before your dad banged your mom and made you

And isn't it a little weird that up until a few years ago it was called Gender Identity Disorder?

concept: definitions, and subsequently terms, change based on new findings

crazy i know

[Foxscotch]

And isn't it a little weird that up until a few years ago it was called Gender Identity Disorder?

well, no

"DSM not only determines how mental disorders are defined and diagnosed, it also impacts how people
see themselves and how we see each other. While diagnostic terms facilitate clinical care and access to
insurance coverage that supports mental health, these terms can also have a stigmatizing effect.

DSM-5 aims to avoid stigma and ensure clinical care for individuals who see and feel themselves to be a
different gender than their assigned gender. It replaces the diagnostic name “gender identity disorder”
with “gender dysphoria,” as well as makes other important clarifications in the criteria. It is important
to note that gender nonconformity is not in itself a mental disorder. The critical element of gender dysphoria
is the presence of clinically significant distress associated with the condition."

changing what they call it isn't even evidence of "politicization". it was done for the sake of preventing even more stigma. not everything you disagree with is an attack against your sensibilities
the WHO's ICD-11 is taking it even further. but you still can't just say it's a made-up issue, cus they're still including it

Were psychologists just as intelligent back when homoloveuality was a mental disorder?
Seems like you have to accept that what is or is not a mental disorder is based on subjective notions of normalcy.

it sounds remarkably like you're saying you think gender dysphoria will one day not be considered a disorder, and instead, normal. which I can't imagine you believe, so I honestly don't have any clue what point you're trying to make



in short: suck my richard

[Tactical Nuke]

that just proves my point. the DSM-5 recognizes gender dysphoria, and the American Psychiatric Association is comprised of people much smarter than you and I. choosing to disregard it is, unquestionably, anti-science

opposite as in one of TWO genders

you guys want to try to put more words in my mouth that I didn't say?

uh you're mixing up gender and love. gender is a social construct by definition; love is the genetics.

no it loving isn't

fat does affect you negatively but some are predisposed to being overweight due to metabolism. the whole "dont fat-shame" thing is (purportedly) to address this fact and how fat people are automatically seen as ugly/bad.

So what, does that mean you become a land-whale because "forget it, even if I try I won't be skinny"?
It means you work to be and look your HEALTHIEST. I have never heard of someone who was like, "forget me, my metabolism prevents me from not taking up all the seats on the bus! All of them. At the same time. In EVERY ROW."

You are seen as ugly when you are unhealthy, NOT when you are fat. Regardless of what you look like at your healthiest, people are going to think you're attractive (unless you're physically/facially pug-ugly which is an entirely different story)

both sides have bad apples.

I will agree with you there

[Foxscotch]

you guys want to try to put more words in my mouth that I didn't say?

I think, by saying this, you are actually putting words I didn't say in my mouth. that is, I never said you said anything. I only said that you were wrong, which you definitely were. I also never said anything about more than two genders, so there's even more words you're putting in my mouth. this is getting kind of gay

[Red Spy]

in short: suck my richard

Spit or swallow

[ZombiLoin]

I think, by saying this, you are actually putting words I didn't say in my mouth. that is, I never said you said anything. I only said that you were wrong, which you definitely were. I also never said anything about more than two genders, so there's even more words you're putting in my mouth. this is getting kind of gay

there's something else i want to put inside of your mouth if you catch my drift

[Insert Name Here²]

How did the previous political debate turn into an argument over gender and love?

[otto-san]

How did the previous political debate turn into an argument over gender and love?

Last I checked the left was more anti-science. Sure, Annoying Orange believes climate change is a hoax, but more than two genders? Denying how being fat affects you negatively? Nuclear power plants are going to be used as nuclear weapons? I can think of more but I think you get the point.

tactical bait

[Insert Name Here²]

tactical bait

gg no re

[Red Spy]

How did the previous political debate turn into an argument over gender and love?

Me

[Tactical Nuke]

tactical bait

sargon bait

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtRj6x1jHuU

sargon's going straight for it

The last time I watched Sargon of Akkad he was a cool scientific skeptic sort of guy. When did he become an alt-right mouthpiece?

did you even watch the video?

you replied only 2 minutes after i posted that, which in that time barely gets to even the first point in his video

It's just jarring to see him go from talking about science and history to supporting a guy that symbolizes neither.

Full disclosure, I did not watch the video. If it's a masterpiece, I'll check it out later tonight.

[ZombiLoin]

no it loving isn't

Man I love just how stuffty this article is. Instead of giving out academic definitions or even articles on popular perception of love vs. gender you just post an incredibly biased article by some richardhead who uses "muh emotions, muh traditions, m-muh alpha male" to justify his own opinions and ends the loving thing with a slippery slope argument that somehow regarding gender and love with some form of nuance will end in furries wanting to use the men's room.

As Jack Donovan has noted, “Strength, Courage, Mastery, and Honor are the alpha virtues of men all over the world. “ A hard-assed American drill sergeant might think it’s dumb as dirt to stick your hand in a glove full of Bullet Ants, but I can guaran-damn-tee you he has a certain level of manly respect for a guy who’s tough enough to do it.

Yeah, you... you, uh, you tell 'em. Those alpha virtues. Yeah.

The article is pretty much one gigantic straw-man argument.

sargon bait

it's time to stop