POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

[Cappytaino]

Defining what additional "Rights" transgender students are entitled to is quite a slippery slope. The impression I seem to get is that treating them in the same way as any other student going through the public school system is somehow inadequate and a gross violation of their rights?

The reason I say that defining what is and isn't a right of a transgender student is a slippery slope is because of gender-specific services or activities which could be adversely affected. For example, last summer in Alaska, a transgender (MtF) student competed in a women's high school state track event. As expected, said student completely dominated the competition, leading to public outcry about how it was unfair to allow this student to compete.

The question I pose to you is at what point do we draw the line on what is and isn't the right of a transgender individual? Obviously having access to the restroom is a right, and transgender students still will be able to do so. But should a transgender student be able to, for example, compete in women's sports or collect a scholarship intended for female students? As an adult, should a transgender individual be able to collect government incentives offered to women for starting a small business?

I'm just a bit confused because there seem to be two different messages echoing from the LGBT community on this one. The first is to treat trans people just like anyone else. The second is that trans people need special rights and privileges to maintain "equality" i.e. the ability to compete in gender-specific events or competitions, which is a threat to competitive integrity for obvious reasons. (what's to stop a high school from making their women's basketball team a bunch of guys that just say they identify as female and just destroying their conference?)

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[otto-san]

i think that, ideally, trans individuals would be able to live life as closely as possible to their preferred gender, and that's the standard that i imagine most people are going by. in any case, all we're talking about right now is the bathroom issue, which we seem to fundamentally agree on aside from maybe policy implementations. i just prefer federal protections here because i'm not confident in the ability/desire of states to adequately protect LGBT students, but i would agree that federal requirements for unilove/neutral bathrooms would be burdensome on states if that were an issue

trans issues are at a weird crossroads of LGBT and feminist issues, and i think that might be why things get confusing sometimes

[Nonnel]

Sports shouldn't be separated by love at all. There is literally no reason.

[Kearn]

except for women being physically inferior to men of the same age

[MoltenKitten]

Or that men might go easy when playing against a girl because they are afraid of hurting them

[Nonnel]

except for women being physically inferior to men of the same age

not when they train the same

Or that men might go easy when playing against a girl because they are afraid of hurting them

that's their fault then lmao

[Kearn]

not when they train the same

why exactly do you think the olympic world records for women are so far below mens'?

[Cappytaino]

not when they train the same

Men are able to build more muscle and generally are physically larger due to differences in average height and the aforementioned ability to build muscle.

Why do you think there are no women in the NHL? There was a woman that played like a game as an emergency backup iirc but she was a goalie which is a bit diff.

In sports where size and strength matter, hormones make a world of difference, which is why we don't see any women in them. The NHL doesn't prohibit women from competing, but none have come along that have proven to be able to compete at the NHL level.

[Zloff]

not when they train the same

wow what is physiology. if they train the same they'll almost never be equal; if they train differently and end with the same result, then sure maybe, but even then there differences with in mind (estrogen vs testosterone) meaning men will almost always be much more aggressive, competitive, etc.

men have much higher ceilings and don't run into mental blocks as often when it comes to physical training and performance

[Nonnel]

oh stuff i didn't mean to say equal training, i meant they can be trained to an equal level

[Corderlain]

CNN, NYT, BuzzFeed banned from Spicer press releases.

[Steve5451²]

not when they train the same

if a male and female had the exact same hormone levels then yeah they would but that simply isn't the case

[Nonnel]

if a male and female had the exact same hormone levels then yeah they would but that simply isn't the case

oh stuff i didn't mean to say equal training, i meant they can be trained to an equal level

CHECK THE ADDENDUM!!!!!!!!

[Corderlain]

CHECK THE ADDENDUM!!!!!!!!

There isn't an equal level. Their skill may be the same. But a man will always be stronger than a woman with even a small amount of physical activity.

[Nonnel]

There isn't an equal level. Their skill may be the same. But a man will always be stronger than a woman with even a small amount of physical activity.

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