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[Donnies Catch]

muslim isn't a race

ok?

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[SeventhSandwich]

Also if he wasn't a muslim, his motives were still inspired from the islamic ideology and had previous investigations over him for violent extremism.

So in other words, "This article doesn't say anything about whether he's a Muslim or not, but I mentally associate terrorism with Islam so I'm gonna say his motives were 'inspired' by Islam'"

muslim isn't a race

Tbh it might as well be. The Western World collectively cannot tell the difference between an Arab and a Muslim, so why mince words?

[Insert Name Here²]

But I mentally associate terrorism with Islam so I'm gonna say his motives were 'inspired' by Islam'"

No. The article itself says his motives were inspired from islamic beliefs and he's had a prior history with the law over violent extremism. Read the article.

[SeventhSandwich]

No. The article itself says his motives were inspired from islamic beliefs and he's had a prior history with the law over violent extremism. Read the article.

The prime minister was quoted as saying his methods were inspired by Islamism, but there's no confirmation that the attacker was actually a Muslim or had any contact with CIA. The article also doesn't say that the violent extremism was based on Muslim principles either.

[Insert Name Here²]

The prime minister was quoted as saying his methods were inspired by Islamism

Muslim or not, his attack was still inspired by the islamic ideology.

had any contact with CIA.

You don't need to have contact with CIA to commit terror crimes in the name of islam / whatever.

The article also doesn't say that the violent extremism was based on Muslim principles either.

Islamic*

Also, he's had prior investigations over violent extremism, now he committed a terror attack, inspired by islam. Put two and two together lol

[SeventhSandwich]

Muslim or not, his attack was still inspired by the islamic ideology.

Based on what? Muslim attackers use machetes in the past, and now suddenly every murderer with a machete is a Muslim?

You don't need to have contact with CIA to commit terror crimes in the name of islam / whatever.

Obviously not, but the first half of that sentence you cut off also says 'no confirmation that the attacker was actually a Muslim'.

Islamic*

Islamic is literally just the adjective form of Muslim. What are you even saying lol? A Muslim is a person that follows Islam.

[Insert Name Here²]

Based on what?

What multiple articles say, his previous infractions in the law, etc.

Obviously not, but the first half of that sentence you cut off also says 'no confirmation that the attacker was actually a Muslim'.

You don't have to be a dead set muslim to take out terror crimes motivated or inspired from the islamic ideology.

Islamic is literally just the adjective form of Muslim. What are you even saying lol? A Muslim is a person that follows Islam.

Islamic / Islam is the ideology. I'm not talking about Muslims, I'm talking about Islam and the ideology's effect in this. Stop trying to dodge the subject at hand.

[King Tøny]

This stuff needs to stop. There is no god anyways. Kill all religions

[SeventhSandwich]

What multiple articles say, his previous infractions in the law, etc.

Again, I'd be interested in seeing those articles that show direct evidence he's a Muslim, because it looks like everyone is jumping the gun a-la-Quebec style.

You don't have to be a dead set muslim to take out terror crimes motivated or inspired from the islamic ideology.

I agree. In fact, I think that people committing crimes in-line with Wahhabism aren't Muslims at all, but rather dangerous starfishs trying to use religious doctrine to unite and justify their brand of violence.

Islamic / Islam is the ideology. I'm not talking about Muslims, I'm talking about Islam and the ideology's effect in this.

So you aren't looking to blame Muslims for this attack, but instead you're making a theological argument against the Quran? You should have clarified that earlier since that definitely wasn't made clear.

[Master Matthew²]

This stuff needs to stop. There is no god anyways. Kill all religions

Holy stuff, is that a good idea?

[Insert Name Here²]

Again, I'd be interested in seeing those articles that show direct evidence he's a Muslim, because it looks like everyone is jumping the gun a-la-Quebec style.

I agree. In fact, I think that people committing crimes in-line with Wahhabism aren't Muslims at all, but rather dangerous starfishs trying to use religious doctrine to unite and justify their brand of violence.

This is not about him being a Muslim or not. This about the Ideology they follow and how the ideology is what inspired and motivated this attack along with countless others.

So you aren't looking to blame Muslims for this attack, but instead you're making a theological argument against the Quran?

Yes. Blaming muslims for the attack instead of the direct causation, the ideology, is inherently flawed. It's like saying all black people are bad because 1 black guy shot a cop, or something simmilar to that anaology.

Have you noticed that the countires the immigrants are coming from are countries where the main religion is islam and or the country is using sharia law?l, along with the countries that they go to, sooner or later begin to suffer major social problems and terror attacks?

I don't believe it's the person, I believe it's the ideology they follow, which in of itself has quite a bit of radical points and "anti-human rights" beliefs.

In today's current society, beliefs and law systems such as Islam and Sharia Law simply are not compatible with the rest of the world.

[SeventhSandwich]

Yes. Blaming muslims for the attack instead of the direct causation, the ideology, is inherently flawed.

I disagree with the idea that Muslim ideology is the 'direct cause' here, but regardless, doesn't that still apply blame to the people who follow that ideology, violent or not?

Have you noticed that the countires the immigrants are coming from are countries where the main religion is islam and or the country is using sharia law?l, along with the countries that they go to, sooner or later begin to suffer major social problems and terror attacks?

That's not the only common variable though. Have you noticed that all the countries with terrorists in them are also war-torn countries that were constantly colonized by Western countries?

[IkeTheGeneric]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3162970/london-terror-attack-terrorist-named-khalid-masood-westminster-latest/

What a shame

[SeventhSandwich]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3162970/london-terror-attack-terrorist-named-khalid-masood-westminster-latest/

What a shame

Everyone in this thread could have just waited a couple more hours before deciding to heap blame on the Muslims.

[Insert Name Here²]

I disagree with the idea that Muslim ideology is the 'direct cause' here, but regardless, doesn't that still apply blame to the people who follow that ideology, violent or not?

Islamic, not Muslim. Muslim is not an ideology, Islam is. I am talking about islam, the belief. Not muslims, the followers. Stop trying to confuse things.

Also no, just because you follow islam does not mean you're suddenly violent, I never said that nor implied it. I did say however that the ideology itself is a radical and intolerant belief and law system (sharia law), which is not compatible with the rest of the world at all.