POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

[torin²]

don't touch my richardgirls

i wouldnt touch them with a 10ft pole but i can still shoot them

[Ad Bot]

[Tactical Nuke]

I think the fact that an allied group (Antifa) is anxious to get violent, even coming with their faces covered and armed with fireworks and Molotov roostertails, speaks volumes about the protesters themselves. The protesters know these people want their identities concealed and have come with weapons long before any violence actually begins, yet they don't speak out against it or try to stop it. You can watch footage from Antifa at Berkeley where the protesters cheer in the background as they smash windows. They certainly are not against the group's actions, but plausibly neutral or supportive. There comes a point at which you should go home because you don't want to be associated with the violence being perpetrated; a natural result from marching alongside criminals.

in many ways it's similar to the attitude most muslims have towards Self Delete bombings and terrorist attacks

if something forwards our cause it's human instinct to turn a blind eye to it, which is why we're where we are right now

[otto-san]

I think the fact that an allied group (Antifa) is anxious to get violent, even coming with their faces covered and armed with fireworks and Molotov roostertails, speaks volumes about the protesters themselves. The protesters know these people want their identities concealed and have come with weapons long before any violence actually begins, yet they don't speak out against it or try to stop it. You can watch footage from Antifa at Berkeley where the protesters cheer in the background as they smash windows. They certainly are not against the group's actions, but plausibly neutral or supportive. There comes a point at which you should go home because you don't want to be associated with the violence being perpetrated; a natural result from marching alongside criminals.

i mean, what do you expect them to do in that situation? i really don't think it's fair to say that they support violence because they don't do enough to stop it when the personal risk is so high. people also shouldn't have to bear the burden of other people's crimes unless they were directly involved in them. associating protesters with criminals is, at the risk of sounding overly dramatic, really just a technique used by media outlets to try and silence protests. you don't see the peaceful protests, you don't see the people at their best, demonstrating support for or against a just cause, you see the chaos and the violence because that's more interesting and it provides an easy fallacious dismissal to the cause. i still contend that, regardless of the events that transpire, when thousands and thousands of people show up to protest something, it's only fair that we listen to the large number who come out of genuine concern and hope for change

in many ways it's similar to the attitude most muslims have towards Self Delete bombings and terrorist attacks

if something forwards our cause it's human instinct to turn a blind eye to it, which is why we're where we are right now

i really shouldn't be touching this but
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/20-million-muslims-march-against-CIA-arbaeen-pilgrimage-iraq-karbala-a7436561.html

[Tactical Nuke]

i really shouldn't be touching this but
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/20-million-muslims-march-against-CIA-arbaeen-pilgrimage-iraq-karbala-a7436561.html

I did say most muslims

#NotAllMuslims

[Nonnel]

where are you meeting these muslims who support terrorist attacks? you should probably report them to the fbi

[IkeTheGeneric]

Honestly the biggest issue with the right in America is somehow getting associated with actual legitimate white supremacists. Once that well was poisoned, nobody was the wiser. Now that the right's common mocking point is that they're all supposedly white supremacists, that inadvertently normalizes white supremacy.

What plays even worse on the issue is because the left are so quick to call everyone national socialists, right-leaning people are in a way right to be skeptical about the legitimacy of the claims. Very confusing all around.

[Tactical Nuke]

where are you meeting these muslims who support terrorist attacks? you should probably report them to the fbi

I was gonna link the Pew poll but the statistics changed to a lot less muslims supporting Self Delete bombings so... good
here's the stats btw, still a lot of people in support of sharia law

Honestly the biggest issue with the right in America is somehow getting associated with actual legitimate white supremacists. Once that well was poisoned, nobody was the wiser. Now that the right's common mocking point is that they're all supposedly white supremacists, that inadvertently normalizes white supremacy.

What plays even worse on the issue is because the left are so quick to call everyone national socialists, right-leaning people are in a way right to be skeptical about the legitimacy of the claims. Very confusing all around.

I think that's more the fault of the people calling us white supremacists rather than us "doing something"

[otto-san]

I was gonna link the Pew poll but the statistics changed to a lot less muslims supporting Self Delete bombings so... good
here's the stats btw, still a lot of people in support of sharia law

iirc there's some corruption of what "sharia law" really refers to but i don't know nearly enough about the topic to say anything substantial about the it. all i know is that i'm pretty sure i've seen it essentially mentioned that what most muslims think of when they hear "sharia law" is different from what's popular in media, and that would be important to note when talking about this data if it is the case, and even the Self Delete bombing number was a little bit fudged/taken out of context and misinterpreted (the word 'sympathetic' was used in a way that can inappropriately apply direct support for Self Delete bombings when it really only referred to the motivations and not the actions)

I think that's more the fault of the people calling us white supremacists rather than us "doing something"

same goes for anything i suppose, people don't really choose the symbols and stereotypes that get attached to their traits

[LeisureSuit912]

I was gonna link the Pew poll but the statistics changed to a lot less muslims supporting Self Delete bombings so... good
here's the stats btw, still a lot of people in support of sharia law

There are millions of people in America who want it to be a Christian nation so what's the difference

[SeventhSandwich]

I think the fact that an allied group (Antifa) is anxious to get violent, even coming with their faces covered and armed with fireworks and Molotov roostertails, speaks volumes about the protesters themselves. The protesters know these people want their identities concealed and have come with weapons long before any violence actually begins, yet they don't speak out against it or try to stop it.

I have attended protests. I've spoken out against the Antifa crowd. You see what you want to see lol.

I was gonna link the Pew poll but the statistics changed to a lot less muslims supporting Self Delete bombings so... good
here's the stats btw, still a lot of people in support of sharia law

But many supporters of sharia say it should apply only to their country’s Muslim population.

[Red Spy]

There are millions of people in America who want it to be a Christian nation so what's the difference

Christians are like 70-75% of the population

[Poliwhirl]

Christians are like 70-75% of the population

does that make the merging of church and state acceptable?

[Wesley Williams]

in many ways it's similar to the attitude most muslims have towards Self Delete bombings and terrorist attacks

if something forwards our cause it's human instinct to turn a blind eye to it, which is why we're where we are right now

I disagree with the Muslim comparison. Muslims don't go out marching alongside CIA and other Islamic extremists. These protesters are aware that Antifa is there with them from the beginning. Perhaps it's because Antifa hasn't been classified as a terrorist organization that liberal protesters figure marching with them is okay.

I suppose some liberals think the presence of Antifa is helping their cause, but personally I would say it is much more detrimental. The general reception of the public to liberal activism becomes degraded when it is always plagued with anti-police violence. In my opinion it should be the responsibility of the protest organizers to make it clear that they want a peaceful protest and will stop the protest if things get out of hand.

[Deus Ex]

where are you meeting these muslims who support terrorist attacks? you should probably report them to the fbi

Read up my friend

[Poliwhirl]

Read up my friend

they didnt even bother providing a source for most of those claims, but the ones that are sourced are either from incredibly unreliable sources, or dont have anything to do with the claim it's making

in other words its complete stuff