POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

[HellHound]

Because communism never let anybody die for the 'greater good' when it was avoidable.

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[Karl Marx]

Because communism never let anybody die for the 'greater good' when it was avoidable.

Can you give me an example that isn't related to Stalinism, or did you not pick up on what I was saying?

[Red Spy]

communism works xd

[SeventhSandwich]

• Decriminalize drug possession, sell legally and regulate to reduce harm
• Implement nation-wide gun control laws so it would be, at the very least, highly impractical to travel out-of-country to buy guns and then re-sell them in Chicago illegally
• Fund and regulate schools to ensure equal access to education
• Fund public infrastructure rebuilding projects and sustainable energy projects, pay reasonably
• Implement universal healthcare (Nationwide) so nobody drowns in debt from a twisted ankle

I'm cool with 1,4, and 5.

I don't actually buy the theory that access to guns is the keystone issue causing gun violence. Conservatives make a strong point that gun laws fail to actually influence people who use guns for crime, while preventing law-abiding citizens from owning firearms for their own personal safety. I also don't buy the theory that widespread gun ownership is necessary to target violent crime, but that's more of a personal philosophy and not something that translates well into policy.

3 sounds good, but it's one of those things where how it's applied will determine whether it works well. There is extremely widespread waste in education spending, owing mainly to the massive, inefficient bureaucracies surrounding American education. If we want to increase education spending, the increase should be well-researched and go to things that matter (teachers, educational materials, schools) and be taken from things that don't matter (some pencil-pusher in the bureau of education that stamps a piece of paper every day).

[Karl Marx]

I don't actually buy the theory that access to guns is the keystone issue causing gun violence. Conservatives make a strong point that gun laws fail to actually influence people who use guns for crime, while preventing law-abiding citizens from owning firearms for their own personal safety. I also don't buy the theory that widespread gun ownership is necessary to target violent crime, but that's more of a personal philosophy and not something that translates well into policy.

What, exactly, are you proposing here? I am aware the presence of guns does not necessarily cause violence. Poverty is the root cause of this. The presence of guns does, however, add an incredible amount of danger to this situation.

3 sounds good, but it's one of those things where how it's applied will determine whether it works well. There is extremely widespread waste in education spending, owing mainly to the massive, inefficient bureaucracies surrounding American education. If we want to increase education spending, the increase should be well-researched and go to things that matter (teachers, educational materials, schools) and be taken from things that don't matter (some pencil-pusher in the bureau of education that stamps a piece of paper every day).

Reasonable enough. When I was writing the post, I was thinking primarily of the only accessible schools being mold-infested or otherwise dangerous, and being allowed to run only because the little revenue they do generate can be allocated to pencil-pushers rather than reasonable improvements to the school. I do think that it is partially related to a lack of funds.

[Tactical Nuke]

If you want to improve education, you implement school choice

[Karl Marx]

If you want to improve education, you implement school choice

So the students that live closer to a slightly better school can leave the old one to rot, along with the students who could not feasibly relocate to another school? Great plan.

[Red Spy]

so we should stay at a failing school to calm your feelings?

[SeventhSandwich]

What, exactly, are you proposing here? I am aware the presence of guns does not necessarily cause violence. Poverty is the root cause of this. The presence of guns does, however, add an incredible amount of danger to this situation.

Basically just address the poverty rather than tightening gun restrictions that criminals won't follow anyway. Yes, there's probably a correlation between the number of guns in the US and the amount of gun violence we have, but it's near impossible to return back to a point where there aren't many guns. So might as well go after a practical issue.

The big push for gun regulation during Obama's tenure was all about school shootings, but the commonality there was that you had these kids who were obviously forgeted up in the head. Seems like improving mental health services in schools might improve that.

If you want to improve education, you implement school choice

**improve education for anyone wealthy enough to commute an hour out of the hood to attend a fancy charter

[Karl Marx]

so we should stay at a failing school to calm your feelings?

I would advise staying far, far away from political discussion if this is the amount of effort and critical thinking that can be expected from your posts.

[Juncoph]

Can you give me an example that isn't related to Stalinism, or did you not pick up on what I was saying?

lenin. betrayed and immortalized by stalin so that handicaps like you would see him as a justified, noble dictator

mao- sino-soviet split. distinctly different ideological beliefs.

castro- installed by a crackpot argentine revolutionary. replaced a broken republic with a fake one.

kim jong-un- i would rather live under stalinism.

[otto-san]

If you want to improve education, you implement school choice

i understand the line of logic here, but i don't think it's a great solution. you'd be better off just investing more in the right places, reforming our teaching methods and allocation practices, and making sure every public school is good, because every school is going to have students that lose out hard if their education is neglected

[Red Spy]

I would advise staying far, far away from political discussion if this is the amount of effort and critical thinking that can be expected from your posts.

i'm not going to pretend to know if you're an alt or not but if i had to put money down i'd say you're leisure

[HellHound]

lenin. betrayed and immortalized by stalin so that handicaps like you would see him as a justified, noble dictator

mao- sino-soviet split. distinctly different ideological beliefs.

castro- installed by a crackpot argentine revolutionary. replaced a broken republic with a fake one.

kim jong-un- i would rather live under stalinism.

looks like it's off to re-education to you!

[Juncoph]

looks like it's off to re-education to you!

hold ill just use this focus after i unlock internationalism