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Author Topic: POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD  (Read 2886450 times)

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Don't bother trying. They drink the cool aid.

There is no clean coal, by the way. If a technology like that existed, it'd be widespread already.

technically you can make clean fuel from coal but the conversion would take more energy than what the product could provide and the conversion itself wouldn't be clean

technically you can make clean fuel from coal but the conversion would take more energy than what the product could provide and the conversion itself wouldn't be clean
I suppose, but I can't imagine the waste products created by these processed would be any better than the emissions from the coal.

Who said anything about him being a genius
All I said is he isn't a total handicap like people keep trying to paint him as
I don't see why it's hard to believe a businessman would be able to look into the energy market and know the Paris thing would be unnecessary for us anyway.
Far as I'm concerned, the US doesn't need to get involved in that to fix climate change anyway.
I think this accurately sums up how I feel, and if you (by you I mean all of you) don't want to watch it because it's a video, I'm not using it as some kind of verified source, so relax.
i don't doubt he'd be able to do that, it just implies that he cares enough about climate change to make sure market forces would take care of it, and considering his multiple dismissals of climate change as a problem, his staunch opposition to the EPA and its research and efforts, and desire to stimulate growth in the coal industry, i feel like it's safe to say he wasn't thinking about solving climate change, whether by market forces or otherwise, when he pulled out of the paris agreement. i don't think it matters either way though, and i don't think it's necessary to retroactively give Annoying Orange credit for this

as an engineer, it's kind of shocking that no one's brought up engineering the environment to reverse the effects of climate change

as an engineer, it's kind of shocking that no one's brought up engineering the environment to reverse the effects of climate change
it's expensive and many countries arent willing to make an investment like that

technically you can make clean fuel from coal but the conversion would take more energy than what the product could provide and the conversion itself wouldn't be clean
and even if both of those things weren't a problem, no matter what your solution to the stufftiness that is coal may be, it will always be more expensive than natural gas, and even most renewable energy sources.

I suppose, but I can't imagine the waste products created by these processed would be any better than the emissions from the coal.
and even if both of those things weren't a problem, no matter what your solution to the stufftiness that is coal may be, it will always be more expensive than natural gas, and even most renewable energy sources.

yeah i was being technical and pedantic, not realistic

as an engineer, it's kind of shocking that no one's brought up engineering the environment to reverse the effects of climate change
What Drydess said and I do completely agree that it's something that needs further exploration.


What if Annoying Orange isn't a total handicap and was aware of the current market trends, and figured the Paris Climate Agreement would be unnecessary because of it?
He literally believes climate change is a conspiracy hoax cooked up by China to hurt American coal industry. You're giving him way too much credit.



What Drydess said and I do completely agree that it's something that needs further exploration.

engineering the solution is honestly a far more realistic option than trying to cap existing industry

figuring out a way to suck up a specific resource is what humans are great at. i'm willing to bet that with sufficient funding we could come up with something that can significantly augment the environment's ability to consume CO2

and ~in the scenario~, not necessarily ~inevitably when~ this actually becomes an overwhelmingly obvious issue - to the point where mainstream deniers like Annoying Orange would capitulate and join the fight against climate change, a united human effort will easily reverse climate change. when humanity manages to unite, it can, does, and has done amazing things.

we turned fire - the symbol of destruction - into the core mechanism of all industry. we turned electricity - a mysterious force of unknown cause and, much like fire, a symbol of power and destruction - into the core mechanism of modern technology. we were born without wings, and so we built aircraft. we unlocked the secrets of the atom, and created weapons of war whose seismic shocks are detectable globally. we have engineered a highly autonomous and cognitively diverse human hivemind which we downplay as the internet.

our scientists and engineers nowadays are working on, among other things:
-replacing body parts with mechanical alternatives
-unlocking the secrets of the atom once more - through fusion, this time, rather than fission
-harnessing quantum mechanics, a field of research whose discoveries largely contradict conventional understanding of physics and chemistry
-automating low-level labor entirely - this would be the first step to a post-scarcity world
-inventing a medicine that can end age-based mortality

simply scrubbing the air and sea is, in light of our other achievements, rather simple.
scale is the only real issue, but... mass production is what created all the CO2 in the first place, and we weren't even trying to make the CO2.

the irony of it all is that climate change is only a significant threat so long as we deny it.
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One thing to consider is that scrubbing technology and emissions filtration technology consumes vast amounts of energy. Without a clean energy sector, power supplies might create more pollution than a removal device can remove.