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Author Topic: POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD  (Read 2843306 times)

dude who do you think is propagating this story that Seth Rich was killed by the DNC for leaking docs?

Do you honestly think he's the sole person pushing this story? It's already been confirmed by Wikileaks that Seth Rich is the leaker, and I don't know how you can gloss over Podesta stating in the emails that he was wiling to make an example of a leaker. There's not much plausible deniability here. Sean Hannity is not the source of the Seth Rich story, he's simply another reporter.

There is literally no monetary incentive to supply the public with fair or unbiased reporting under Capitalism

I am never going to respond to one of your posts again.

Do you honestly think he's the sole person pushing this story?
Probably not, but he's actually a pundit on a reputable news source. cnn and similar kook-ish sites have probably pushed it too, but nobody should expect anything better from them.

It's already been confirmed by Wikileaks that Seth Rich is the leaker, and I don't know how you can gloss over Podesta stating in the emails that he was wiling to make an example of a leaker.
Nothing has been 'confirmed' because it's made up bullstuff.

http://www.snopes.com/seth-rich-dnc-wikileaks-murder/

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The Fox story uses two sources: Rod Wheeler, a Fox News contributor characterized as a private investigator in the article, and an unnamed “federal investigator.” On 15 May 2017, Wheeler speculated to local news outlet Fox5 that there was critical information on a computer that belonged to him, which was either in the possession of the FBI or MPD:

Wheeler claimed to have a source at the FBI that “confirmed” Rich was linked to WikiLeaks, and a source inside the police department who told him MPD was told to “stand down” from the investigation. In a follow-up interview on Fox News, Wheeler implied that a conspiracy reaching to the highest levels of the city’s government was at work:

We reached out to Wheeler by e-mail and have yet to receive a response, but since the Fox story was published, he has been quoted in several news articles recanting his original story. He told BuzzFeed News the following day, “That story on Fox 5 last night was inaccurate. I don’t even know where the computers are.”

Tl;dr - A Fox News contributor speculated that Seth Rich leaked to the DNC, but had no evidence to back it up. The guy later recanted his story after realizing that he was going to get fried for breaching journalistic integrity.

I will give you one thing though, which is that this shows that even mainstream news sources are now pandering to the fantasies of conspiratorial idiots, strictly for publicity and ratings. If Fox News won't fire Sean Hannity over blatantly lying, then that puts a lot of their other work into doubt.

Probably not, but he's actually a pundit on a reputable news source. cnn and similar kook-ish sites have probably pushed it too, but nobody should expect anything better from them.
Nothing has been 'confirmed' because it's made up bullstuff.

So yeah Seth Rich was the leaker

Wikileaks tweet in case you're one of those people who thinks new media is unreliable

In case you don't know who Seymour Hersh is


I'm sorry but Assange has been doing everything in his power to say Seth Rich is the leaker without saying the words "Seth Rich is the leaker." If you still refuse to believe it I don't know what to tell you. And did you really link me to snopes? Snopes is a bullstuff factory on the same level of disingenuous garbage as CNN. There's a reason why they're going in the stuffter, it's cause their left-leaning bias gets in the way of fact-checking politics. If we ever get into a religious debate you're free to link back to them though.

Open your goddamn eyes. I know you'll just dismiss these sources outright though, because something something alt right sites, right? And before any of you get any ideas about calling me a hypocrite for dismissing snopes right off the bat, snopes has proven itself to be entirely unreliable when it comes to reporting political facts. They will rate things "mostly false" that are true on the grounds of a word being used the wrong way. If you still trust Snopes then you're just as dumb as the people who still watch legacy media to get their news.

I'm sorry but Assange has been doing everything in his power to say Seth Rich is the leaker without saying the words "Seth Rich is the leaker."
He's a wanted fugitive that's living in an embassy. If disclosing Seth Rich as a leaker would get Assange killed or something, then he'd already be dead over the dozens of other documents and cables he's leaked. This isn't even evidence though. You're saying, "I'm pretty sure that Assange wants to say Seth Rich is the leaker," which means nothing. That's just something you're speculating about. It's baseless. We can't even assess Assange's credibility to claim something like that, because he isn't even claiming it.

Snopes is a bullstuff factory on the same level of disingenuous garbage as CNN. There's a reason why they're going in the stuffter, it's cause their left-leaning bias gets in the way of fact-checking politics. If we ever get into a religious debate you're free to link back to them though.
It was the #1 most reputable source for discrediting internet bullstuff, up until Annoying Orange ran for president and people chucked 'political bias' at Snopes when they understandably responded to all the bullstuff stuff he's said. Maybe if Hillary said an equal number of false things, then you'd have a case. But that's obviously not right.

Open your goddamn eyes. I know you'll just dismiss these sources outright though, because something something alt right sites, right?
More like 'something-something sites that have no checks and balances to make sure their stories aren't bullstuff'. The fact they're alt-right sites doesn't automatically make their articles false - it's the fact that their articles aren't properly researched and rely on false information and speculation.


I'm sure religionofpeace dot com is a totally bias-free source of information against evil liberal snopes



Open your goddamn eyes. I know you'll just dismiss these sources outright though, because something something alt right sites, right? And before any of you get any ideas about calling me a hypocrite for dismissing snopes right off the bat, snopes has proven itself to be entirely unreliable when it comes to reporting political facts. They will rate things "mostly false" that are true on the grounds of a word being used the wrong way. If you still trust Snopes then you're just as dumb as the people who still watch legacy media to get their news.

if all you take from a snopes article is the rating, then you're using snopes incorrectly. the in-depth sourced explanations of why they gave the rating are far more valuable and substantial. they also take into consideration the spirit of a claim in argument rather than just its literal content (e.g. if a claim being true would naturally lend itself to a fallacious upholding of another claim), which is probably why you might be finding a few of their ratings odd on a surface level
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Some very unbiased sites ya got there.
Salon
The Atlantic
VERY unbiased
Stop posting Matthew

kimon have you ever considered shutting the forget up about politics for a bit

Stop posting Matthew
Stop being so painfully wrong, and maybe I'll stop telling you youre wrong.

if all you take from a snopes article is the rating, then you're using snopes incorrectly. the in-depth sourced explanations of why they gave the rating are far more valuable and substantial. they also take into consideration the spirit of a claim in argument rather than just its literal content (e.g. if a claim being true would naturally lend itself to a fallacious upholding of another claim), which is probably why you might be finding a few of their ratings odd on a surface level

Usually I lend your words credence but there's simply no excuse for Snope's bullstuff. They do not advertise themselves as "spirit-of-fact checkers", but fact-checkers, and when it comes to checking facts, they're bias gets in the way of that. Furthermore, the amount of people who actually read their in-depth explanation is negligible, as most people who use the internet don't bother to look past the big ol' graphic saying MOSTLY FALSE

Stop being so painfully wrong, and maybe I'll stop telling you youre wrong.
How about instead of telling him he's wrong just because, loving explain yourself. The Atlantic and Salon are apparently bad sources. Why?

How about instead of telling him he's wrong just because, loving explain yourself. The Atlantic and Salon are apparently bad sources. Why?
Heavy left Bias.

Usually I lend your words credence but there's simply no excuse for Snope's bullstuff. They do not advertise themselves as "spirit-of-fact checkers", but fact-checkers, and when it comes to checking facts, they're bias gets in the way of that. Furthermore, the amount of people who actually read their in-depth explanation is negligible, as most people who use the internet don't bother to look past the big ol' graphic saying MOSTLY FALSE
i'm just a bit skeptical of this because every time people have provided examples of snopes being biased, it hasn't been incredibly compelling. and snopes has a history of being called biased from all sides as well. i really think it's a matter of perspective here, because a large portion of what snopes does has nothing to do with right-wing politics or politics in general. but really, i'm sure you can agree at least in principle that individual articles should be evaluated by their own merit rather than snopes as a whole being automatically broadly discounted. because everything snopes rates has an in-depth sourced explanation, it should be easy to provide contrary evidence to their findings. at that point though, if they do turn out to be incorrect, i wouldn't chalk that up to malevolent liberal bias, but rather just innocent misinformation, or new information coming to light after the article has been written (though if snopes catches this they're pretty good about updating things from what i've seen). i don't think it's necessary to assume the worst here and say that they're deliberately falsifying things, humans are fallible, and snopes has a higher success rate than failure from what i can gather
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