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Author Topic: POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD  (Read 2873436 times)

How about we value human life first and statues second
who give a forget if the monuments stay or fall but why should someone value someone who does nothing but hate you and want to tear your country down

why should someone value someone who does nothing but hate you and want to tear your country down

Because if we start drawing lines on which groups deserve to have their liberties taken away, sooner or later somebody's going to exploit that and it'll be everyone's problem.

I love the amount of people who think that if we call out both the national socialists and Antifa for being bad guys that somehow means we're only really calling out Antifa

I love the amount of people who think that if we call out both the national socialists and Antifa for being bad guys that somehow means we're only really calling out Antifa

The problem isn't that people haven't denounced both groups yet, it's that y'all keep going through mental gymnastics on why Anitfa is worse than the Neo-national socialists when most of us really don't care about the specifics and would rather see both groups shove off.

I just found it ironic that someone who's really upset about Confederate statues being torn down wouldn't flinch if lefties started getting thrown out of helicopters

Sounds like someone needs to get their priorities straight. How about we value human life first and statues second

I've been vehemently opposing violence on either side since before you first jerked off to an IRA bombing video you annoying little stuff
I only meant that I wouldn't feel pity if the jackboot got brought down on some commie loving idiots. The only reason I oppose doing so is because it creates a precedent of removing ideologies from the playing field via government intervention, which opens us up to all kinds of abusive behaviors. I don't care for the feelings of communists or national socialists. I care about maintaining a healthy environment where the first amendment is put before the feefees of any authoritarian stuff stain.

Because if we start drawing lines on which groups deserve to have their liberties taken away, sooner or later somebody's going to exploit that and it'll be everyone's problem.






I've been vehemently opposing violence on either side since before you first jerked off to an IRA bombing video you annoying little stuff

Wait why would I jerk off to that

policy-wise, i don't think it's safe to create precedent that allows for anyone to be silenced, because the government can and will abuse that precedent down the line. battling dangerous ideas in cultural/social spaces is good enough, the government can get involved when they start running cars into people and setting buildings on fire (that is to say, dish out appropriate punishment for already criminal acts and establish preventative measures against specific acts if possible, not banish or punish people by regulating ideology)

policy-wise, i don't think it's safe to create precedent that allows for anyone to be silenced, because the government can and will abuse that precedent down the line. battling dangerous ideas in cultural/social spaces is good enough, the government can get involved when they start running cars into people and setting buildings on fire (that is to say, dish out appropriate punishment for already criminal acts and establish preventative measures against specific acts if possible, not banish or punish people by regulating ideology)
Normally I would agree, but looking at the historical precedent of radical youth movement with violent tendencies, it's easy to see why Antifa is incredibly dangerous and should not be allowed to exist.

The particular recent fascination of Antifa with "sanitizing" history is particularly troubling. At the current moment it manifests with the desecration of CSA monuments, statues, and cemeteries. This draws a startling parallel with the Chinese Red Guards of the 60s. They are both radical left-wing movements, have strong roots on university campuses, and are willing to use violence, intimidation, and vandalism to eradicate ideas and things they see as offensive for the sake of "progress." In the case of the Red Guards, this took the form of the "Four Olds", being Old Culture, Customs, Habits, and Ideas.

Antifa have a similar concept. They are fascinated with the destruction or censorship of things which represent history to which they are morally opposed (the chose du jour being Confederate history, but it will change once they are done with that.) and like the Red Guards, they use violence and intimidation to silence their opposition. They paint their opposition broadly as "tribal, loveist, homophobic, and bigoted" as the Red Guards would slander their opposition as part of the elite bourgeoisie. Both groups used this typecasting language as justification for further violent, coercive behavior, resorting to tribalism as a means to justify assault, battery, and murder. The brutality didn't cease after death either. These animals were literally dragging bodies out of tombs and nailing them to trees

If you read into the history of the Red Guards (Fractured Rebellion by Andrew G. Walder is a great read) you'll find that it's not very difficult to draw parallels between them and Antifa. The Red Guard went from wanting streets to be renamed to violent demonstrations to destruction of objects of historical and cultural significance to outright torture, rape, and murder to intimidate their opposition (usually intellectuals) into silence. They are like a pack of rabid animals and they were so destructive and violent that the government shipped them off en-masse to the countryside just to be rid of them (where many of them later starved to death because none of them knew how to farm)

In summation the problem with Antifa isn't their views, but rather how they express them. A radical movement built on violence and intimidation set on re-writing history is a slippery slope. If they would hold signs and chant like normal people, that's one thing. But covering faces in an attempt to remain anonymous while assaulting people, throwing small explosives, dirty needles, broken glass, bottles of urine, etc, destroying property, that isn't protected by the constitution and there is no place for that kind of violent intolerance in a civilized society.

Antifa's existence is a violation of the social contract of a western democracy, plain and simple. Violence against political opposition is unacceptable regardless of what you believe. Antifa are a bunch of LARPing scum assaulting people in the streets advocating for communism and censorship. It's not hard to see why so many people dislike them.
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That's why I'm more in favor of having the police crack some skulls when Antifa shows up and causes a ruckus instead of trying to dissolve them through law. Most of these guys are bunch of pussies. They only congregate because these mayors are backing them up and the police aren't allowed to get involved when they start punching people out in the street.

That's why I'm more in favor of having the police crack some skulls when Antifa shows up and causes a ruckus instead of trying to dissolve them through law. Most of these guys are bunch of pussies. They only congregate because these mayors are backing them up and the police aren't allowed to get involved when they start punching people out in the street.
I'm not in favor of police brutality but I do think police should stringently enforce the "no masks at a protest" law on the federal books. Either take the mask off or go to the party van in handcuffs. This should make it easier to track down those that do commit crimes.

More realistically what's going to happen is that some degenerate Antifa LARPer is gonna try to club someone at a protest, the guy is gonna have a CCW and gun the Antifa kid down in self defense, and things are gonna be a stuffshow from then on.

That's why I'm more in favor of having the police crack some skulls when Antifa shows up and causes a ruckus instead of trying to dissolve them through law. Most of these guys are bunch of pussies. They only congregate because these mayors are backing them up and the police aren't allowed to get involved when they start punching people out in the street.

Police brutality, nice

I'm not in favor of police brutality but I do think police should stringently enforce the "no masks at a protest" law on the federal books. Either take the mask off or go to the party van in handcuffs. This should make it easier to track down those that do commit crimes.

the funniest thing about this is that antifa is majorly built on wearing masks and hoodies

Police brutality, nice

Killing commies is a great American passtime, right?

the funniest thing about this is that antifa is majorly built on wearing masks and hoodies
which is illegal and I've only ever seen one video of police demanding Antifa remove their masks

It's ridiculous that they are allowed to circumvent that law and it emboldens them because they believe they will not be caught.