POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

[SeventhSandwich]

but it's just really loving obnoxious when the players bring their politics onto the field

I feel like Foxscotch already said this, but:

Isn't /not/ doing a national anthem the default apolitical position for sports to take?

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[Deus Ex]

That'd be true if we haven't been defaulting to doing the national anthem for over a century
Sports was apolitical even with the anthem because people sang the anthem just because it was something you did
By refusing to do it and instead kneeling in protest Kaperrichard politicized the anthem and started this whole thing. Before this you never had anyone getting all hot under the collar over the national anthem in sports, but here we are, because some friend needed some publicity to make up for his averageness on the field

[PhantOS]

I don't even understand why people have this idea that words are harmful? If Richard Spencer is saying something you don't like, then step out of audio range of him? Or better yet, you let him talk, then you refute his ideas the way it's supposed to go? Do his ideas even need to be refuted? Come on people, good christ.

isn't it interesting that deus ex was so headstrong on his argument about how if someone says something you don't like you shouldn't kick them out of the business? isn't it interesting that despite this, he has no problem explaining how someone who kneeled is now a horrible friend who needs to be removed from all sports games for the rest of history? you know, "freedom of speech and expression is perfectly fine everywhere else but if it touches my american sports i'm going to be angry!!"

its like... the inconsistency... is in liquid form now

[ultimamax]

Please explain to me the political context of loving sports

I already did. Sports isn't inherently political (like a little league game isn't really political at all) but in most of the contexts we've talked about (the olympics, the super bowl, anywhere where the anthem is played basically) it is.

Kaperrichard politicized the anthem

[LeisureSuit912]

That'd be true if we haven't been defaulting to doing the national anthem for over a century
Sports was apolitical even with the anthem because people sang the anthem just because it was something you did
By refusing to do it and instead kneeling in protest Kaperrichard politicized the anthem and started this whole thing. Before this you never had anyone getting all hot under the collar over the national anthem in sports, but here we are, because some friend needed some publicity to make up for his averageness on the field

Imagine being this concerned over a football player not standing for some piece of cloth

[Red Spy]

Democrats inevitably take back a congressional body in 2018.

[Deus Ex]

isn't it interesting that deus ex was so headstrong on his argument about how if someone says something you don't like you shouldn't kick them out of the business? isn't it interesting that despite this, he has no problem explaining how someone who kneeled is now a horrible friend who needs to be removed from all sports games for the rest of history? you know, "freedom of speech and expression is perfectly fine everywhere else but if it touches my american sports i'm going to be angry!!"

its like... the inconsistency... is in liquid form now

Ah yes, because football players are customers and not representatives of the sport itself
Because in the Richard Spencer situation he walked into the gym and started spewing national socialist rhetoric
These are two comparable things
You are loving handicapped please stop talking to me

I already did. Sports isn't inherently political (like a little league game isn't really political at all) but in most of the contexts we've talked about (the olympics, the super bowl, anywhere where the anthem is played basically) it is.

Except it's not. No one's ever gotten politically assblasted over sports up until now. There are no politics involved in the olympics. No one is worried about the political fallout if Germany beats the UK or some stuff like that. If you think otherwise then

You are loving handicapped please stop talking to me

[PhantOS]

Ah yes, because football players are customers and not representatives of the sport itself
Because in the Richard Spencer situation he walked into the gym and started spewing national socialist rhetoric
These are two comparable things
You are loving handicapped please stop talking to me

the principle is the same, richardwad. here, eat your own words

They aren't hurting anyone by having these beliefs. They aren't hurting anyone by expressing them. Free speech, at all times, or not at all.
                  - deus ex

[LeisureSuit912]

Wait what race was fascist Italy tribal towards?

In 1938, Fascist Italy passed the Manifesto of Race which stripped Jews of their Italian citizenship and prohibited them from any professional position. The racial laws declared that Italians were of the Aryan race and forbid loveual relations and marriages between Italians and Jews and Africans.[170]

The Fascist regime declared that it would promote mass Italian settlements in the colonies that would, in the Fascist government's terms, "create in the heart of the African continent a powerful and homogeneous nucleus of whites strong enough to draw those populations within our economic orbit and our Roman and Fascist civilization".

Except it's not. No one's ever gotten politically assblasted over sports up until now. There are no politics involved in the olympics. No one is worried about the political fallout if Germany beats the UK or some stuff like that. If you think otherwise then

Only ones getting "assblasted" are you and the rest of the chuds who are angry a black football player are protesting police brutality on the football field, Clayton Bigsby.

[Red Spy]

getting your italian citizenship revoked should be a good thing

[ultimamax]

Except it's not. No one's ever gotten politically assblasted over sports up until now. There are no politics involved in the olympics. No one is worried about the political fallout if Germany beats the UK or some stuff like that. If you think otherwise then

one example

[Deus Ex]

one example

Fair enough
My point still stands though, sports aren't inherently political, so, thanks for the factoid, but uh

Only ones getting "assblasted" are you and the rest of the chuds who are angry a black football player are protesting police brutality on the football field, Clayton Bigsby.

When you need to mention his race and police brutality in order to put yourself in the moral right
I said this earlier: I could not give less of a forget about anyone's moral grandstanding. I just want politics right the forget out of sports. If Kuckerforget wants to talk about police brutality during an interview or w/e he's free to do so, just keep that stuff off the field. I don't think that's asking much of people.

the principle is the same, richardwad. here, eat your own words

They aren't hurting anyone by having these beliefs. They aren't hurting anyone by expressing them. Free speech, at all times, or not at all.
                  - deus ex

You're loving stupid. It isn't the same principle. It'd be the same if the league fired Crackerjack over what he said OUTSIDE of the game. But when you protest in the middle of a game, on the field, as a player, you're bringing your stuff into the sport where it doesn't belong. I remember the same people getting tilted over Tim Tebow or w/e his name was kneeling for prayer because it was too religious a display for the sport, so why the forget is this any different? Do I really have to sit here and ELI5 this stuff to you?

[ultimamax]

Fair enough
My point still stands though, sports aren't inherently political, so, thanks for the factoid, but uh

I never said sports are inherently political. Just that sports in any relevant big capacity has almost always been political, which is true.

You claim to want politics out of your sports when it's been there the whole time.

[e-maxx]

You're honestly going to make me shoot myself

Do it

[Magus]

It started in baseball when people were actually respectful of our country

And the reason he's not doing it is because he feels his country is not deserving of respect.