Real Talk: What should the world do about terrorism (CIA, etc.)? [Organized OP]

[Zloff]

my simplified reasoning:

do you appear to have XY chromosomes and/or a snake or identify as male? in that case, you are a he/him
what about XX chromosomes and/or a uterus or identify as female instead? well i guess you're a she/her
if i can't tell or don't know which of the two you are, then i'll refer to you as they/them

i understand there are other chromosome combinations, but like i said i'm simplifying this. no one is entitled to 'preferred pronouns' to identify themselves as like, i think i saw somewhere 'my gender is a dark, never-ending celestial void', as pronouns are a means of basic identification and reference for context, not a set of individual characteristics(aka personality) or an identity(your name?). it irks me when a special snowflake acts like they got a thorn up their ass whenever they're referred to with the 'wrong' pronouns. the only thing this abnormal-gender crap manages to accomplish is complicate social interaction

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[otto-san]

yeah i know that. it's what i'm referring to.

also i haven't seen anything about bionicles in years. thank you for reminding me it exists

Then All Is Clear™

my only thoughts on otherkin are: "whatever"
it's too much of a poe's law trap for me to want to try to understand it on my own

[Waru]

probably not

[MoltenKitten]

You're allowed to be an idiot but don't expect me to play along with you

[Akio-]

Then All Is Clear™

my only thoughts on otherkin are: "whatever"
it's too much of a poe's law trap for me to want to try to understand it on my own

we live in a world of confusion.

i am referring to actual demigender stuff whatever

http://nonbinary.org/wiki/Demigender

also just to be clear i have not educated myself at all on this topic. frankly i think it's just a load of stuff. i'm not trying to condemn anyones opinions or thoughts here rather using it to educate myself and to debate to form a better understanding.

maybe i'm wrong? i don't know. but i think that the 'just go along with it or you're an starfish' that several people have put out is pretty dumb. they aren't entitled to special treatment. imo using real pronouns is more respectful to them.

[Kingdaro]

Personally, I believe yes and no, as most legitimate genders are just a combination or transition between the two. That is, Transgender. Whether you're pre, post, or in between, 99.5% of the time there's a starting point and a goal, right? If a person identifies as a boy and is loveually female, then they're a boy who used to be a girl. There's no third category in my mind, just an either-or or an in-between. How much of each you are, fundamentally. As humans, I don't think there's any real way we can actually perceive a third.

Gender is such a dumb topic to discuss in an objective way, though, which is why I have the viewpoint I do. I generally just go with if they say they're a girl, they're a girl, and same for if they're a boy. It's always a case-by-case person-by-person basis, however, of how tolerably one treats their gender identity. If they're going to be an ass about me mistakenly saying 'she' when everything else would say otherwise, that's not the kind of person I want to be friends with.

[Foxscotch]

at worst, nonbinary genders are a way to cope with something that has happened (or is happening)
compared to other, more "normal" coping methods, like becoming socially reclusive, overeating, or abusing alcohol, I'd say that choosing to call yourself a demigirl and asking people to refer to you with odd pronouns is not only far healthier for you, but certainly easier on the other people in your life as well

at best it's just someone's way of expressing themselves. which has no ill effects on anyone, and may even pass
if it really hurts you to say "xe", pretty much everyone will accept "they" too

[otto-san]

also just to be clear i have not educated myself at all on this topic. frankly i think it's just a load of stuff. i'm not trying to condemn anyones opinions or thoughts here rather using it to educate myself and to debate to form a better understanding.

maybe i'm wrong? i don't know.

yo it's confusing stuff if you aren't under that umbrella. all i have is what i've heard about other people's experiences, which isn't much to go from.  i personally just concede that they know themselves better than i do and call it done. no prob for me, but i can understand why it'd be confusing or even frustrating

but i think that the 'just go along with it or you're an starfish' that several people have put out is pretty dumb. they aren't entitled to special treatment. imo using real pronouns is more respectful to them.

ya i can get that it might be frustrating, but i think it's too abstract and personal for people to be able to easily relate unless they've experienced it for themselves, especially right now when it's kind of an exotic concept. of course it's definitely possible to want to know more without appearing contentious or challenging them

[Akio-]

after doing minor research it seems that gender is a social construct

[Trogtor]

no

[Decepticon]

no

[C-Zech Chrome Ind.]

There are two biological genders for humans.

You are either one or the other.

No inbetweens.

If you have received surgery in order to "change" gender, then you are still what you are originally.

All that had happened is that your genitelia has been mutilated so that it can not be used in the way it once was, and that the rest of your body had been pumped with hormones in order to change shape, yet not it's primary systems.  That would require extensive programmed cell death, which your body will never take part in.

Transgender is an illusion.

You are only female if your loveual organ is capable (or was capable, or could have been calable) of bearing life, and you are only male if your loveual organ is capable (or was capable, or could have been capable) of fertilizing eggs.

If you are compelled to have love with a man whilst being a man, that means something went terribly wrong when you were developing in the womb, and means that you must become attracted to women through whatever means necessary.

If you are compelled to have love with a woman whilst being a woman, that means something went terribly wrong when you were developing in the womb, and means that you must become attracted to men through whatever means necessary.

If you are atrracted to the opposite love, but you are psychologically identifying more as that love also, then that does not make you transgender.  Transgender is an illusion.  You will never truly be the opposite gender.  Your brain has simply developed under a chemical and hormonal imbalance in the womb, and you have to work with the qualities that have been given to you.  One can have an advantage in this respect - being one gender and having neurological qualities of the other means you are unique.  My mother fits this description aptly, and her life story gives the testimony that what I am saying is correct.

I am not going to call you xe, e, xim, it, they, or them.

I'm going to call you either a he or a she, and you're going to like it.



So there.

[ultimamax]

gender is a social construct

[Niff]

Sure why not

[Akio-]

after doing even more minor research I can confirm it's a social construct. well I guess pack in the bags folks, there are only 2 genders. new topic tomorrow. continue to debate