Author Topic: (Radical) Islam's Incompatibility with Democracy and Western Ideals (Read 3944 times)

Swat 3 · June 13, 2016, 10:22:22 PM

Just as with Christianity in 18th and 19th century Europe, Islam is having a hard time from keeping itself out of all facets of life. Henceforth, radical Islam is incompatible with the separation of church and state.

As seen in Turkey, democracy is sacrificed for religion. There is no balance between the Islamic faith (which demands control of all aspects of life) and Western ideal. We must wait for free thinking and alternative Islamic sects to emerge from the minds of Muslims around the world. This is similar to how the Christian religion saw reform movements such as the Protestants.

Anyone one else have any input?

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WaterOre · June 13, 2016, 10:23:28 PM

I'll agree with this.

Pastrey Crust · June 13, 2016, 10:27:25 PM

Does my mouse count as an input?

Ipquarx · June 13, 2016, 10:27:43 PM

religion has no place whatsoever in government. It does not matter what religion it is. Islam, Christianity, Pastafarianism... None of it.

Khaz · June 13, 2016, 10:29:16 PM

Quote from: Ipquarx on June 13, 2016, 10:27:43 PM

religion has no place whatsoever in government. It does not matter what religion it is. Islam, Christianity, Pastafarianism... None of it.

patton360 · June 13, 2016, 10:31:59 PM

Quote from: Ipquarx on June 13, 2016, 10:27:43 PM

religion has no place whatsoever in government. It does not matter what religion it is. Islam, Christianity, Pastafarianism... None of it.

I'm a christian and I belive in this. Church and state have to be separated or they will corrupt eachother

Trogtor · June 13, 2016, 11:15:56 PM

Quote from: Ipquarx on June 13, 2016, 10:27:43 PM

religion has no place whatsoever in government. It does not matter what religion it is. Islam, Christianity, Pastafarianism... None of it.

yeeaaahh... thats not how it works....

otto-san · June 13, 2016, 11:21:51 PM

Quote from: Ipquarx on June 13, 2016, 10:27:43 PM

religion has no place whatsoever in government. It does not matter what religion it is. Islam, Christianity, Pastafarianism... None of it.

religious groups deserve representation (obviously, i don't think that's what you're saying anyway, just figured i'd add it), but yeah, state sponsorship/promotion is a threat to freedom of religion and shouldn't happen in any effective democracy

Swat 3 · June 13, 2016, 11:24:52 PM

Quote from: Ipquarx on June 13, 2016, 10:27:43 PM

religion has no place whatsoever in government. It does not matter what religion it is. Islam, Christianity, Pastafarianism... None of it.

But even now many interpretations of Islam demands Islam in government as government.

But you'll be seen as an Islamophobe if you even say that.

otto-san · June 13, 2016, 11:28:15 PM

Quote from: Swat 3 on June 13, 2016, 11:24:52 PM

But even now many interpretations of Islam demands Islam in government as government.

But you'll be seen as an Islamophobe if you even say that.

nah, democratic values come first. now, if you frame it more as, "muslims suck because islam says this," that's probably when you'd get into muddy waters. the diff is disagreeing with a concept vs. shunning actual people. of course if someone is goin all westboro about it, then they're an starfish and there's no problem with calling them out on it

Ipquarx · June 13, 2016, 11:28:35 PM

Quote from: otto-san on June 13, 2016, 11:21:51 PM

religious groups deserve representation (obviously, i don't think that's what you're saying anyway, just figured i'd add it)

Of course, let the people practice whatever religion they want, let them make whatever churches or shrines or mosques they want, so long as they do so peacefully, just don't get it involved in the government.

Rainzx� · June 13, 2016, 11:48:38 PM

Everyone says that not all Muslims like to blow things up but you don't exactly see them lining the streets protesting against it.

Magus · June 14, 2016, 12:36:51 AM

Because everybody that doesn't protest something must be in support of it, right.

McZealot · June 14, 2016, 12:41:46 AM

Did we really need a second topic? This same argument is going on in the Orlando thread.

Quote from: Rainzx� on June 13, 2016, 11:48:38 PM

Everyone says that not all Muslims like to blow things up but you don't exactly see them lining the streets protesting against it.

Red Spy · June 14, 2016, 12:42:37 AM

Quote from: Magus on June 14, 2016, 12:36:51 AM

Because everybody that doesn't protest something must be in support of it, right.

I'm pretty sure if I watched a video about people getting their heads chopped off I wouldn't exactly say "Eh whatever who cares nothing too major here"

Quote from: McZealot on June 14, 2016, 12:41:46 AM

Also, those people are pretty irrelevant when they're not the ones doing extreme stuff