They both are quite intelligent and they do deserve respect for there several contributions for the community whether in the form of add-ons or coding and if I recall correctly in several cases they have helped you. Yes they are both quite stubborn but you are no better. I do not know much about Trader but I have known Ephi for the best part of a year - if not more - and you'll probably know that we have mutually hated one another for a minority of that time, most likely due to a clash of personalities and/or egos but all-in-all Ephi is a decent guy which is quite good to say hes a compulsive liar. No I am not sucking up to either of them and this post may be seen as unbias because I hate you with a passion but that is your opinion and this is mine.
