Nonnel's Nation RP: Peace in our Time - I LEFT IT A CITY OF MARBLE! [FALL 2005]

[CypherX]

this rp has descended into total fantasy. im not entirely convinced that this made up universe isnt just two or three dozen real people and a couple hundred million mannequins because ive seen no real reaction from just about anyone anywhere over anything

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[Juncoph]

ok, so explain how OUR reasons aren't real justifications

because it's just blatant imperialism

nobody can realistically say that fascist italy has any true ties to the roman empire (rome itself having gained the lands italy is attacking now through conquest) beyond latin inheritance roughly similar in concentration to that of france or spain

and the UK invading the netherlands, well, it's the UK invading the netherlands. unless a top british scientist found out that unless the dutch are subjugated they'll all go mad and bomb france or something i don't see a real justification

i'm not trying to attack you or italy on an OOC or IC level, but there still is a difference between imperialism and nationalism in terms of how the public sees it

[Maxwell.]

and the UK invading the netherlands, well, it's the UK invading the netherlands
it's a war for resources

I don't even know where you're going with that, you took canada for resources among other things and I'm doing the same to the NL in indonesia

[Juncoph]

I don't even know where you're going with that, you took canada for resources among other things and I'm doing the same to the NL in indonesia

the casus belli for annexing canada was pan-american nationalism.

[Maxwell.]

the casus belli for annexing canada was pan-american nationalism.

and my casus beli was wanting more resources, they're both true justifications

[Juncoph]

and my casus beli was wanting more resources, they're both true justifications

i'm not saying you can't declare war using them as CBs

i'm saying there's a different political reaction to outright resource wars and wars of cultural unification

[Maxwell.]

i'm not saying you can't declare war using them as CBs

you've said that twice, and I get it, but you're just thinking some kind of stuff like this:

and the UK invading the netherlands, well, it's the UK invading the netherlands. unless a top british scientist found out that unless the dutch are subjugated they'll all go mad and bomb france or something i don't see a real justification

like where the forget did that even come from? that's literally not my reason and I've told YOU twice that it's imperialism, not everything has to be done to save france or some stuff, it's purely imperialism. that's my reasons and they are as real as your reasons

i'm saying there's a different political reaction to outright resource wars and wars of cultural unification

this is also true

[Decepticon]

whats with casus beli being a big thing all of a sudden

i don't remember the words being used at all around the time of the other nation rps before the most recent until paradox started memeing it up with hoi4 and eu4 and suddenly it's some kind of unspoken thing among people here

[Juncoph]

so we agree that imperialism is a valid CB, but there's a different political reaction to it compared to nationalism?

when i said "no real justification", i meant it from a political european perspective. i didn't mean it from an OOC perspective

whats with casus beli being a big thing all of a sudden

i don't remember the words being used at all around the time of the other nation rps before the most recent until paradox started memeing it up with hoi4 and eu4 and suddenly it's some kind of unspoken thing among people here

paradox only helped popularize it. casus belli was already an established concept

[Decepticon]

yeah that's true but it's a stupid concept and nobody should be forced to have a 'casus beli' to declare war and do actions with their country. declare war on someone? react to it yourself or have the NPC countries react to it (should the RP host do that, that is)

[Maxwell.]

I would've been fine with declaring on the netherlands for no stated reason by the way, but I'd rather there be a reason behind it for rp purposes, it just looks strange if I don't but I don't see it as needed

[Juncoph]

yeah that's true but it's a stupid concept and nobody should be forced to have a 'casus beli' to have fun and do what they want with their country. declare war on someone? react to it yourself or have the NPC countries react to it (should the RP host do that, that is)

the idea of a CB is that it puts down a guideline for your war goal along with a political shield for you to use in defense of your war

in this case the CB is, as previously mentioned, imperialism

it doesn't have to be a genuine moral plea, or a good excuse really

from wikipedia: In formally articulating a casus belli, a government typically lays out its reasons for going to war, its intended means of prosecuting the war, and the steps that others might take to dissuade it from going to war. It attempts to demonstrate that it is going to war only as a last resort (ultima ratio) and that it has "just cause" for doing so.

i'd say that sounds a lot like italy when the balkans nations ignored its demands

I would've been fine with declaring on the netherlands for no stated reason by the way, but I'd rather there be a reason behind it for rp purposes, it just looks strange if I don't but I don't see it as needed

essentially this

again, CBs are all political. there shouldn't be a hard block if you don't have a CB manufactured, and even then, anything relevant can be a decent CB
they /do/ mitigate foreign disdain if it's a good CB though

[Agent Legit 22]

The invasion force moves through Poland, not in an attack but in transit, making their way to the German Border.

[Decepticon]

The invasion force moves through Poland, not in an attack but in transit, making their way to the German Border.

invasion force
making their way to the german border

USSR, we may have left the fascintern but we do in a way value our friendship with germany, what are you doing?

[Agent Legit 22]

invasion force
making their way to the german border

USSR, we may have left the fascintern but we do in a way value our friendship with germany, what are you doing?

We're suspecting a war between Germany and ourselves, so we put it up to ourselves to be prepared