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It's generally not a good idea to let people in your country during times of war.
it's also not right to leave millions of people to die by drone strike or beheading

Of course not every muslim immigrant is a terrorist, that would be an absurd claim to make. But the religion they follow is barbaric, intolerant and hateful, their beliefs on how to treat women and gays are holy. Theyre ingrained in them since forever, in western world women are PEOPLE and they have individual freedom, which is not so in the western world, the men from there (the majority of these immigrants) believe women are their property to do with as they please.

Islam is a backwards, hateful third world ideology, and it has NO place in the west.

That's the thing about Islam, is that if you badmouth it, you're a tribal/xenophobe or whatever, but if you actually look at what they believe in terms of individuals fate and how to treat others, it's insanely forgeted up, homoloveuality is punishable by death, leaving the religion is punishable by death, disobeying your husband is punishable by death, so many things they resolve with just killing you.

The good thing is though that there are people who in the middle east recognize how forgeted up their religion is, but of course you can't say much because otherwise you'd be killed.

but what do I know, I'm just a racism.

i've been told more than once both in-person and online that examples of real islam in-practice can be found here in the US, in select mosques or individuals i guess, and that the majorly-islamic asian and african nations that have implemented sharia law - which are located in/near the region where islam was founded - are essentially not to be considered when looking for how islam is practiced correctly

i mean if you know what islam is really about but you still want to defend it, i'd say the same thing too lol

I mean i'm muslim (well kinda) and so is part of my family and a lot of my friends, and none of us are really rapists. My school is like 25-30% muslim and everyone is really friendly, supportive, and completely westernized. I don't know how the syrian refugees act on the reg but so far i've only gotten shaky reports from biased users and misleading videos with no provable context behind it. I may be wrong but I'm not convinced until I actually see a completely un-skewered and conclusive study.

Also, its not tribal to fear for your own safety or the safety of others, so nobody here is a tribal or being dismissed as one. However, its still perfectly possible to be biased. Me, for example, i'm surrounded by muslim culture so of course i'm a little more sympathetic towards refugees than a white teen in Holland whose family was murdered by a radical muslim.

I mean i'm muslim (well kinda) and so is part of my family and a lot of my friends, and none of us are really rapists. My school is like 25-30% muslim and everyone is really friendly, supportive, and completely westernized. I don't know how the syrian refugees act on the reg but so far i've only gotten shaky reports from biased users and misleading videos with no provable context behind it. I may be wrong but I'm not convinced until I actually see a completely un-skewered and conclusive study.

okay

I mean i'm muslim (well kinda) and so is part of my family and a lot of my friends, and none of us are really rapists. My school is like 25-30% muslim and everyone is really friendly, supportive, and completely westernized.
well I mean, there's your answer as to why none of you are acting like what we've seen in Europe. This isn't me saying "westernize everything!", but rather just goes to show how forgeted up their culture is over there.

so far i've only gotten shaky reports from biased users and misleading videos with no provable context behind it
I'll just post these for like the third time
http://usherald.com/video-refugee-slaps-white-girl-hard-for-refusing-his-advances-more-reason-to-say-no-to-refugees/
context: girl declined mans advances, was slapped in the face as all of his other muslim friends laughed

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/10/denmark-muslims-stage-organised-attack-against-teenagers-for-being-american
context: translated report from a dutch journalist depicting a beating carried out by refugees, original article in question

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmMxJz9oOMg
context: refugees take multiple streets in Paris as their own with occasional gang fights breaking out within the refugee population

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3767301/Muslim-refugee-20-raped-10-year-old-boy-bedroom-claimed-culturally-acceptable-loveually-assault-children-homeland.html
context: 20 year old refugee rapes 10 year old refugee

https://www.rt.com/news/363890-iraqi-refugee-rape-austria/
https://www.facebook.com/ILuvFreedom/videos/1659919730925755/
context: 20 year old refugee rapes 10 year old at Austrian swimming pool

Also, its not tribal to fear for your own safety or the safety of others, so nobody here is a tribal or being dismissed as one.
well

it's what tribals [like you lol] often say whenever you bring up current issues (like the refugee crCIA)

okay
Looking through a lot of the links that are regarding support for sharia law, terrorist activities, etc. are all poll based. The titles 69% of this group supports x should actually be 69% of this group of people interviewed supports x, which can actually mean that the group interviewed is a couple thousand people to a million. Still a minority of the 1 billion something muslims out there. Some of the data on production, incest, unemployment, and other things are pretty factual and I won't deny their credibility.

well I mean, there's your answer as to why none of you are acting like what we've seen in Europe. This isn't me saying "westernize everything!", but rather just goes to show how forgeted up their culture is over there.
I'll just post these for like the third time
http://usherald.com/video-refugee-slaps-white-girl-hard-for-refusing-his-advances-more-reason-to-say-no-to-refugees/
context: girl declined mans advances, was slapped in the face as all of his other muslim friends laughed

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/10/denmark-muslims-stage-organised-attack-against-teenagers-for-being-american
context: translated report from a dutch journalist depicting a beating carried out by refugees, original article in question

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmMxJz9oOMg
context: refugees take multiple streets in Paris as their own with occasional gang fights breaking out within the refugee population

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3767301/Muslim-refugee-20-raped-10-year-old-boy-bedroom-claimed-culturally-acceptable-loveually-assault-children-homeland.html
context: 20 year old refugee rapes 10 year old refugee

https://www.rt.com/news/363890-iraqi-refugee-rape-austria/
https://www.facebook.com/ILuvFreedom/videos/1659919730925755/
context: 20 year old refugee rapes 10 year old at Austrian swimming pool
well
those links really don't mean much besides an isolated case where someone of a certain ethnic group commits a crime. If you use these to come to the conclusion that 90% of muslims rape people in swimming pools, then idk i would be speechless. I could find 10-20 well prepared news sources of white people committing hate crimes and then come to the conclusion that the majority of white people are tribal neo national socialists, but I wouldn't because that's kinda stupid.

Based on the research that i've done in the past, i'd say that less than 15% of refugees coming to countries seeking shelter are potential criminals, and this can be seen in almost any ethnic group. The only difference is that a few isolated interviews with muslim give the perception that Muslims are loyal to sharia law and are willing to kill for their religion. Again, not exactly true or a good reason to come to any conclusion.

As for unemployment and stuff, well, they are refugees coming to a country to escape war and tragedy. I wouldn't expect them to find a job the day they arrive and suddenly become a model western citizen. Also, a lot of these people are coming to countries with little to no money, since Middle Eastern countries are not as rich as european ones. When you have less money, you also have less education, less motivation to live by the rules, more reason to rob or steal to support your family, etc.


those links really don't mean much besides an isolated case where someone of a certain ethnic group commits a crime. If you use these to come to the conclusion that 90% of muslims rape people in swimming pools, then idk i would be speechless. I could find 10-20 well prepared news sources of white people committing hate crimes and then come to the conclusion that the majority of white people are tribal neo national socialists, but I wouldn't because that's kinda stupid.
That would be stupid, because those would be incidents of just psychotic/mentally deranged people. On the other hand these people practice a religion that straight up tells you to kill another person if they are not a Muslim or part of Islam, or if they're homoloveual, or wanting to leave said religion, or if they piss you off in general. The difference between your claim and mine is that for mine there is over 2,000 years of history of this stuff occurring due to said religion.

Based on the research that i've done in the past, i'd say that less than 15% of refugees coming to countries seeking shelter are potential criminals, and this can be seen in almost any ethnic group. The only difference is that a few isolated interviews with muslim give the perception that Muslims are loyal to sharia law and are willing to kill for their religion. Again, not exactly true or a good reason to come to any conclusion.
If what you're saying is true, then we'd barely be seeing any of these incidents occurring, but this stuff is almost daily dude, there's been a constant of these events ever since Europe started accepting refugees.

As for unemployment and stuff, well, they are refugees coming to a country to escape war and tragedy. I wouldn't expect them to find a job the day they arrive and suddenly become a model western citizen. Also, a lot of these people are coming to countries with little to no money, since Middle Eastern countries are not as rich as european ones. When you have less money, you also have less education, less motivation to live by the rules, more reason to rob or steal to support your family, etc.
uh, dude, what  the absolute forget are you saying. Don't tell me you're actually trying to tell me it's fine that they're doing this stuff because they're poor, they're destroying and have destroyed hundreds of lives already, and yet here you are trying to normalize it by going "oh well they come from a bad place so they need to do bad things to support themselves". forget off cunt.

and that stuff about isolated cases? yeah forget off with that too, don't know how these cases of rape/murder/harassment can be isolated when they're happening at the hands of said refugees, let alone inside of the refugee populations themselves, that's the completely opposite of an isolated case, that's an integrated case dude, they're doing the same stuff to each other.

don't know how many more times I'll have to post this video for you to see that these are not civilized people, in fact I'll just timestamp it for you so you can see this.
https://youtu.be/SmMxJz9oOMg
 


okay
you literally just linked a large database of links with no indication of what anybody is supposed to do with them (not to mention most of those seem like misinterpretations/purposeful skewing of data) or what section in particular any of that has to do with any of what he said.
http://usherald.com/video-refugee-slaps-white-girl-hard-for-refusing-his-advances-more-reason-to-say-no-to-refugees/
context: girl declined mans advances, was slapped in the face as all of his other muslim friends laughed
http://realorsatire.com/usherald-com/
"We cannot say that USHerald.com is either real or satire. They fall into the likes of Rebel Media, Jihad Watch, and their ilk — they will bend and contort a story to match their ultra-conservative mission"
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/10/denmark-muslims-stage-organised-attack-against-teenagers-for-being-american
context: translated report from a dutch journalist depicting a beating carried out by refugees, original article in question
www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Robert_Spencer#cite_note-1
"Robert Spencer is an anti-Islam blogger and author. He runs the blog Jihad Watch, has published ten books on the "Islamic threat," and founded the groups Stop Islamization of America and the Freedom Defense Initiative with frequent co-collaborator Pam Geller (who runs the Atlas Shrugs blog). Spencer and Geller also led the charge against the Park 51 Islamic Community Center / "Ground Zero mosque" in 2010. He is listed as one of America's most dangerous hatemongers."

let's go ahead and get that bullstuff out of the way.

what you have depicted in this post is 3 articles showing deplorable behavior from people who happen to be refugees. 3. and this is apparently enough for you to come to the conclusion that "good refugees are hard to find"

get your head out of your ass and stop scouring the internet for little tidbits of information that help you feel less guilt about your clear bias.

if there were a better support system to give them jobs/support it would go a long ways towards mitigating the crimes committed. however, its understandable the aversion to doing so due to the refugee/immigrant status of these people. the fact is though either you do something to support them/give them jobs, or deal with the fact that they have nothing left to lose if they commit a crime.

or just not allow them in, but that in itself poses a big humanitarian/human rights question. if you were a refugee, you'd want someone to take you in, but realistically it wouldn't ever happen in your life. its really up to your ability to empathize and what you feel is right vs what you feel is needed.

you literally just linked a large database of links with no indication of what anybody is supposed to do with them (not to mention most of those seem like misinterpretations/purposeful skewing of data) or what section in particular any of that has to do with any of what he said.

Maybe try to read what he actually wrote since he seemed to find what I was talking about pretty easily.

Looking through a lot of the links that are regarding support for sharia law, terrorist activities, etc. are all poll based. The titles 69% of this group supports x should actually be 69% of this group of people interviewed supports x, which can actually mean that the group interviewed is a couple thousand people to a million. Still a minority of the 1 billion something muslims out there. Some of the data on production, incest, unemployment, and other things are pretty factual and I won't deny their credibility.
What about this one? https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/771952/1-in-5-rape-and-murder-suspects-are-migrant/
« Last Edit: November 18, 2016, 05:15:01 PM by beachbum111111 »

Maybe try to read what he actually wrote since he seemed to find what I was talking about pretty easily.
man if it was that easy you could have linked to a source instead of a compilation of miscellaneous sources.


"We cannot say that USHerald.com is either real or satire. They fall into the likes of Rebel Media, Jihad Watch, and their ilk — they will bend and contort a story to match their ultra-conservative mission"
oh okay so because that news outlet has a bad history that means the video isn't trustworthy? lol ok dude, I guess that girl getting bitch slapped never happened then

"Robert Spencer is an anti-Islam blogger and author. He runs the blog Jihad Watch, has published ten books on the "Islamic threat," and founded the groups Stop Islamization of America and the Freedom Defense Initiative with frequent co-collaborator Pam Geller (who runs the Atlas Shrugs blog). Spencer and Geller also led the charge against the Park 51 Islamic Community Center / "Ground Zero mosque" in 2010. He is listed as one of America's most dangerous hatemongers."
again here, just because the author has the bad rep means the story doesn't exist/never happened? lol ok dude.

I should mention he only posted the translated article, he didn't even write it to begin with and is only relaying it. but nah even though it was written by a dutch news outlet who is seeing this stuff first hand their original report is fake too.

what you have depicted in this post is 3 articles showing deplorable behavior from people who happen to be refugees. 3. and this is apparently enough for you to come to the conclusion that "good refugees are hard to find"
so that video of that entire muslim refugee population fighting each other isn't real and is just a bunch of horse apples? kden.

get your head out of your ass and stop scouring the internet for little tidbits of information that help you feel less guilt about your clear bias.
you literally just did the same thing by looking up information about the authors of those articles, way to contradict yourself.

if there were a better support system to give them jobs/support it would go a long ways towards mitigating the crimes committed. however, its understandable the aversion to doing so due to the refugee/immigrant status of these people. the fact is though either you do something to support them/give them jobs, or deal with the fact that they have nothing left to lose if they commit a crime.

or just not allow them in, but that in itself poses a big humanitarian/human rights question. if you were a refugee, you'd want someone to take you in, but realistically it wouldn't ever happen in your life. its really up to your ability to empathize and what you feel is right vs what you feel is needed.
Well I don't have an issue with taking in people who's home lands have been devastated by war, what I do have a problem with is allowing thousands of randoms who are carrying this violent mindset over who bring it to other countries.

the sun is an absolute rag of a newspaper
cool but the data was collected form police reports so I guess those police reports are ragged too then.