[NEWS] Russian ambassador to Turkey assassinated during speech

[SeventhSandwich]

>Commit crime
>Get thrown in jail
>Omg bad

Not even talking about the higher violent crime rates. White people do more drugs than black people. But strangely, black people are imprisoned more for drug crime than white people. Kind of contradicts your whole crime -> jail model, right?

Is it you or Path who keeps saying minorities are having a stuff time because there was racism for the past 400 years

Probably both of us. Along with, like, every mainstream historical scholar.

Sounds like an Islam problem if you ask me

Ah, okay. So it's only an American problem when the murderer isn't a Muslim, right? Alternatively, we could call it a people-named-Omar problem, but that's missing the point.

wasn't this an act of islamic terror tho

There's still hundreds of recorded hate crime incidents every year.

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[Red Spy]

Not even talking about the higher violent crime rates. White people do more drugs than black people. But strangely, black people are imprisoned more for drug crime than white people. Kind of contradicts your whole crime -> jail model, right?

1) Do they have a crime record
2) What were they selling
3) How were they selling it

Ah, okay. So it's only an American problem when the murderer isn't a Muslim, right?

Cut out the radical Islam and the gay part, then yes

There's still hundreds of recorded hate crime incidents every year.

Was one of those not selling a cake to a wedding

[SeventhSandwich]

1) Do they have a crime record

I don't see why that matters? If crime = jail, then white people should be imprisoned more for drug crime, right?

2) What were they selling

White people do more drugs than black people across the board, except for in crack cocaine. Once again, strangely the penalties for crack cocaine are 5-10x more stringent than regular cocaine, even though it's a direct, pure precursor to crack?

3) How were they selling it

Again, I don't see how this is relevant. If everything else equal, more selling-drugs should equal more prison. But the statistics have a pretty clear and obvious racial divide. You do not get to selectively choose which drug offenders you imprison, especially when lots of drug felonies deprive the felons of the right to vote. Does that remind you of anything that's previously happened in history?

[Insert Name Here²]

I love seeing people turning things into racial issues even though they aren't even a racial issue in the first place.

[SeventhSandwich]

I love seeing people turning things into racial issues even though they aren't even a racial issue in the first place.

Well, you're not wrong in this case. Two pages ago we were talking about Turkey.

[Red Spy]

I don't see why that matters? If crime = jail, then white people should be imprisoned more for drug crime, right?

Where are you even getting these numbers

lots of drug felonies deprive the felons of the right to vote. Does that remind you of anything that's previously happened in history?

Sounds like you're comparing being black and committing crimes

[SeventhSandwich]

Where are you even getting these numbers

They're recorded statistics.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/17/racial-disparity-drug-use_n_3941346.html

Yes, I know HuffingtonPost has a strong liberal slant. Ignore whatever they've written and click the cited sources they list in the article.

Sounds like you're comparing being black and committing crimes

No?

[Red Spy]

They're recorded statistics.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/17/racial-disparity-drug-use_n_3941346.html

Yes, I know HuffingtonPost has a strong liberal slant. Ignore whatever they've written and click the cited sources they list in the article.

There's a pretty funny line in that article lol

The police go into low-income minority neighborhoods and that’s where they make most of their drug arrests.

I wonder what this means

Now it's a police problem

forget

[SeventhSandwich]

There's a pretty funny line in that article lol

Hey, I warned you that there would be a partisan slant.

[DrenDran]

Not even talking about the higher violent crime rates. White people do more drugs than black people. But strangely, black people are imprisoned more for drug crime than white people. Kind of contradicts your whole crime -> jail model, right?

Not really, unless the majority of the people being arrested were innocent.

I don't see why that matters? If crime = jail, then white people should be imprisoned more for drug crime, right?
White people do more drugs than black people across the board, except for in crack cocaine. Once again, strangely the penalties for crack cocaine are 5-10x more stringent than regular cocaine, even though it's a direct, pure precursor to crack?
Again, I don't see how this is relevant. If everything else equal, more selling-drugs should equal more prison. But the statistics have a pretty clear and obvious racial divide. You do not get to selectively choose which drug offenders you imprison, especially when lots of drug felonies deprive the felons of the right to vote. Does that remind you of anything that's previously happened in history?

You're just being dense now. The fact that one group is more likely to get arrested for a crime doesn't somehow make the entire criminal justice system invalid. Hell, the arrests could be all of the same race and it wouldn't matter. So long as the arrested are guilty the only problem with that would be the others who get away with it. 

[Operator¹]

doesn't really help that the public defender system is a joke

[Perry]

You're just being dense now. The fact that one group is more likely to get arrested for a crime doesn't somehow make the entire criminal justice system invalid. Hell, the arrests could be all of the same race and it wouldn't matter. So long as the arrested are guilty the only problem with that would be the others who get away with it. 

The problem isn't who is getting arrested, but rather who isn't. The justice system is supposed to find those who break laws and declare them guilty. However, our current system of finding guilt is to target lower-income minority teenagers more than upper-class white adults.

Visualize it like this: 100 white people and 100 black people in the same room. All of them are criminals, but the police do not know that. The police are required to reach a quota of 100 arrests, however, when they investigate the wrong person, they end up losing that quota (represents real life investigation process). The likely outcome is that they will target the black group more for arrests because society has convinced them that 30% of black people are criminals. The white people are all criminals, but probably 5 or 10 of them will be arrested or investigated, while a larger quantity of black people will be investigated. This accurately represents how arrests are carried out. Cops target people who look the most suspicious. Social stigma dictates that poor minorities are the most suspicious, and therefore they target poor minorities significantly more and the population of white criminals never even get touched much less reported on.

The issue is the stigma that was established 50-60 years ago that said that black people were savages and criminals, and this caused the rest of the population to either dehumanize them more or just be plain scared of them. Although segregation and slavery have ended, the stigma stays, and as a result, people fear minorities more. Police fear for their life, they act irrationally and end up using excessive force on a black suspect, people get upset, a black person shoots 4 cops, cops get even more scared, black people get even more upset, etc etc. It's a huge festering loop of stigmatizing groups of people that causes us to suffer. The real enemy are the ones who feed into that stigma, convincing others that all black people are criminal, belittling civil rights efforts, etc.

[Perry]

If you arrest 25 white people and 75 black people in that group than already you can falsely report that black people commit 75% of the crime. Then, when police run the same test again, they'll look back and realize that black people commit 75% of the crime and instead they'll arrest 95 black people and 5 white, find that they're all criminals, and deduce that black people now commit 95% of crime. This is how using misleading and inconclusive data can lead to a whole world of misfortune for us.

Now that there's so many criminals that are coming in, you have a huge shockwave of judicial handicapation that results in low resources and a lot of people being charged with hefty crimes for doing nothing or being innocent. The more arrests you make the less money you spend on each individual case, the more careless it gets, the quicker the trial, the more time someone has to sit in jail for something they didn't even do. Then, the families of the criminals are now missing a family member, feel resentment towards the system and the police especially, and develop subconscious hostility towards the police. As a result, the police begin to fear minorities because they hate them now so they act more defensive during arrests towards minorities, and end up doing stupid stuff or doing too much and killing the suspect for some dumb stuff. Now you have an angrier population of people.

Arresting more people isn't a solution, you have to start from the core of the issue and end the source. Every time you say "well maybe black people should stop being criminals" or "BLM is a terrorist group" you're essentially adding on to the problem even more. You say it, your friends hear it, they say it, other people hear it, it spreads, and soon you have a divide. You separate people instead of bringing them together.

[Perry]

The goal of the civil rights movement and BLM isn't to 'kill all whiteys!' or 'wrap pigs in blankets' but rather to bring people together and end societal issues.

[Insert Name Here²]

Christ just edit your post instead of triple posting