Author Topic: Memorial being built for lynch victims  (Read 6556 times)

>mentions that there are more black on black deaths than white on black deaths
>tribal


apparently bringing up factual statistics is tribal now.
Nah it's not tribal. But black on black crime has nothing to do with police brutality and it's just a forgeted up attempt at steering the conversation when you bring it up in a BLM context

well white americans can't have their culture represented because they don't have a culture
I know you're joking but I actually believe this. Let me explain

When black people were taken from wherever they originated from and made slaves in a new place, they lost much of their original cultural identities and they unified. From that solidarity in the face of oppression arose a valid, distinct black culture, particularly in America. White people on a whole never really had anything warranting organizing in that kind of way, besides as a response to attempts at social progress. For example, you could consider "suburban culture" to be predominantly white, but that's only because of white flight. Similarly, white pride and white heritage movements always seem to be fascist groups with flowery language about tradition.

"White" does not represent a culture. I don't feel any sort of "white" identity, though I have a Polish identity, because white is just a way of describing a group of people. I'm not proud for being white and I'm not guilty for being white, because being white doesn't represent any sort of struggle or anything significant in my life. "Whiteness" just means you get to live life without your race really meaning much in most situations. You get to be the "default", at least in the West.

People like to cite "American culture" as "white culture" but people of color are American too. To clarify, obv there is German culture, Italian culture, etc etc, but considering that the only thing holding white people as a whole together is that some of them feel threatened by racial progress, I have a hard time putting stock in the idea of a monolithic white culture or white identity.
« Last Edit: December 24, 2016, 01:45:25 AM by ultimamax »

I'm not proud for being white

I am tho. WHITE POWER!!

edit: I'm very happy that I'm white
« Last Edit: December 24, 2016, 03:21:36 AM by IkeTheGeneric »

Unfortunately some choice people here get upset when non-white Americans and their history or culture get any representation whatsoever.

never noticed what a liberal firestarter you were I'm disappointed
also lol

So, surely you'd apply this to any memorial right? Like a WW2 Veteran's memorial, or to the kids who died in Gritty Grapnel. "That was more than 3 years ago, jesus! Stop whining about it!"

That is why this sort of statement comes off as tribal.
you keep comparing things that happened recently to things that happened literally a century ago
listen, its ok to think about the lives lost, but should we really think about everything? hell, might aswell make a memorial for the black plague while we're at it.
see what i mean? the ku klux klan was awful, and i know it was awful, but am i responsible for something that happened so long ago? no, im not, theres nothing i couldve done, as i hadn't existed, and theres nothing i can do, because you can't undo something, ever. there isnt a simple ''ctrl z to fix'' solution, we have to fix the problem collectively, if we ever want anything done without ''racism'' occuring.

you keep comparing things that happened recently to things that happened literally a century ago
listen, its ok to think about the lives lost, but should we really think about everything? hell, might aswell make a memorial for the black plague while we're at it.
see what i mean? the ku klux klan was awful, and i know it was awful, but am i responsible for something that happened so long ago? no, im not, theres nothing i couldve done, as i hadn't existed, and theres nothing i can do, because you can't undo something, ever. there isnt a simple ''ctrl z to fix'' solution, we have to fix the problem collectively, if we ever want anything done without ''racism'' occuring.
implying that lynchings didnt occur even after the civil rights act was passed
implying that the effects of these racial killings / similar forms of oppression have completely passed

you keep comparing things that happened recently to things that happened literally a century ago
Huh? My very first example was WW2, which was as far back as lynching.

listen, its ok to think about the lives lost, but should we really think about everything? hell, might aswell make a memorial for the black plague while we're at it.
see what i mean? the ku klux klan was awful, and i know it was awful, but am i responsible for something that happened so long ago? no, im not, theres nothing i couldve done, as i hadn't existed, and theres nothing i can do, because you can't undo something, ever. there isnt a simple ''ctrl z to fix'' solution, we have to fix the problem collectively, if we ever want anything done without ''racism'' occuring.
There were still lynchings during WW2. So you haven't said, would you protest if we guilt a veteran's memorial?

If white people dont have culture, explain the Caucasus in Asia or almost all of western europe.
Argument invalid, troglodytes.

If white people dont have culture, explain the Caucasus in Asia or almost all of western europe.
Argument invalid, troglodytes.

by white culture a lot of people are referring to "american culture" which in reality transcends race because "american culture" was culminated with the birth of the colonized new world, which included several races and not just white culture, where whites took a lot away from other races in the colombian exchange - lots of "american culture" in inherited from several other cultures

regarding the caucasus and western europe, these cultures might be commonly referred to as "white," but they are more or less the amassing of several countries' cultures into one, such at italian british etc all considered "white" despite the fact that they are very seperate between european countries

If white people dont have culture, explain the Caucasus in Asia or almost all of western europe.
Argument invalid, troglodytes.
White people have culture, just not by virtue of being white. There is certainly a culture of the Caucasus and similarly individual countries and regions (like the balkans) do have culture by virtue of those traits
« Last Edit: December 24, 2016, 01:03:48 PM by ultimamax »

never noticed what a liberal firestarter you were I'm disappointed

I hadn't realized that not being tribal was a liberal ideal lmfao

I hadn't realized that not being tribal was a liberal ideal lmfao
well to be fair it's not often a conservative ideal. especially not a reactionary one.

Huh? My very first example was WW2, which was as far back as lynching.
There were still lynchings during WW2. So you haven't said, would you protest if we guilt a veteran's memorial?
regardless when it occured, why should I be taking the blame now? not ALL whites lynched blacks, and it isn't my fault this happened.
we talk about people of color being opressed, but i feel more opressed, having to constantly take blame for something i couldnt've possibly prevented. and besides, there was no way to prevent it back then, either, theres always that one person who's out to do harm, and it's only a matter of time until they strike. noone couldve easily identifed someone who tried to inflict harm as they appear to be just like you, or me. even in our modern society, someone is out there plotting at all times. we can't stop it, and we couldn'tve stopped what happened those years ago, either.

never noticed what a liberal firestarter you were I'm disappointed
also lol
what's your loving problem lmao

why should I be taking the blame now?

You aren't, they're just building a loving memorial. Are you all incapable of reading?

never noticed what a liberal firestarter you were I'm disappointed
also lol
Uh... his post looked a lot better than yours.

regardless when it occured, why should I be taking the blame now? not ALL whites lynched blacks, and it isn't my fault this happened.
we talk about people of color being opressed, but i feel more opressed, having to constantly take blame for something i couldnt've possibly prevented. and besides, there was no way to prevent it back then, either, theres always that one person who's out to do harm, and it's only a matter of time until they strike. noone couldve easily identifed someone who tried to inflict harm as they appear to be just like you, or me. even in our modern society, someone is out there plotting at all times. we can't stop it, and we couldn'tve stopped what happened those years ago, either.
You have a persecution complex.