apparently i'm a "know it all" in people's eyes when i correct them on something

[Trogtor]

the first memory i had of being spanked was when I snuck icecream from the freezer. my dad saw me with the bowl of icecream and asked why i had it, explained to me that because i took icecream from the fridge without asking, he was going to spank me. i never did it again.

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[Daswiruch]

"Do you know why you're getting punished? Because X and Y. I'm only doing this to help you learn how to act right in the future, I'm only doing this because I love you" or something along the lines. Some parents do this when they give out their punishment to their kids so they know what to improve to prevent from getting punished

this turns from 'i shouldn't do this because it's bad' into 'i shouldn't do this because mom will hit me again'

[Alternat¡ve]

good to know you support abuse, dude

you know you're white when you think spanking is abuse

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this turns from 'i shouldn't do this because it's bad' into 'i shouldn't do this because mom will hit me again'

It wouldn't if you actually explain to them what they did wrong and why it's wrong, and then punish them. If you just say because they did X they're going to be spanked, then it would be that.

[Trogtor]

its difficult for children to understand what the difference is from right and wrong. children are not going to listen to you lecture them to why what they did was wrong.

i wasn't just spanked and let lose without understanding why i got spanked. my parents explained to me why i got spanked for whatever reason and you know for sure i listened because it was a hell of a lot better than getting my ass whooped

[Daswiruch]

its difficult for children to understand what the difference is from right and wrong. children are not going to listen to you lecture them to why what they did was wrong.

then forgetin teach them
if you want to teach kids to be patient you have to set an example by being patient with them
some parents are always like forgetin LISTEN TO ME JIMMY GOSH DARNIT or you're not getting dessert but it's rare that i hear of parents listening to their children

you know for sure i listened because it was a hell of a lot better than getting my ass whooped

'i shouldn't do this because mom will hit me again'

[R3DRobo]

It's possible you may be a contrarian by nature without knowing it. Perhaps you should review your own sentence structures? Exercising tact while communicating with someone is also very useful.

[Trogtor]

then forgetin teach them
if you want to teach kids to be patient you have to set an example by being patient with them
some parents are always like forgetin LISTEN TO ME JIMMY GOSH DARNIT or you're not getting dessert but it's rare that i hear of parents listening to their children

children also do not listen to their parents if there is no real punishment involved. (aka spanking)

you can maybe slide without spanking your kids if you only have one or two. you also just completely ignored what i said.

[Nonnel]

you know you're white when you think spanking is abuse

you know you're a handicap when spanking is not included in your definition of physical abuse

[R3DRobo]

how the forget do you explain why you're hitting them like i'm an incompetent parent and the only way to get you to shut up is to instill fear towards me within you
this turns from 'i shouldn't do this because it's bad' into 'i shouldn't do this because mom will hit me again'

Spanking is a form of teaching to children that consequence is a result of their actions. It's designed to make children be prepared for a world where consequence is a very much real thing and what they say/do can get them in trouble or bring good results. Loving parents spank their children and teach them not only to respect the ones who clothe and feed them, but to show a general respect to other people in life. Spoiling can come as a result of poor parenting and disciplining practices. Pain is an archaic way of teaching this lesson but its effective by removing the bubble that tends to naturally form in the human psyche when only growing up in a more priveledged environment. Alternative methods are available as well, from removing priveledges that they are accustomed to, to putting them in time out/grounding. (but i feel that statistically this is less effective.)

[Daswiruch]

you also just completely ignored what i said.

where and which parts because i tend to leave out stuff that i dont feel is worth arguing over/isn't what i was arguing about in the first place

[Foxscotch]

children also do not listen to their parents if there is no real punishment involved. (aka spanking)

yeah if you do other stuff wrong in the first place. kids aren't automatically prone to misbehaving. they're either taught that acting out (crying, throwing tantrums) will get them what they want, or that doing something wrong is the only way to get what they want

[Rally]

I agree with Path. The vast majority of white parents raise stuffty kids, and that's why Hillary won the popular vote

[Daswiruch]

red im only going to address this because we don't agree and we're not going to get anywhere but i feel really strongly on this part

Loving parents spank their children and teach them not only to respect the ones to clothe and feed them, but to show a general respect to other people in life.

that isn't respect that's fear
parents are usually 2-3x the size of the child that they're being disciplined by and what the forget do you think a child's gonna think when some forgetin relative giant is bringing them pain

it's like with police and stuff sometimes they say that people respect the badge but a lot of people fear them instead because of the amount of power they hold over normal citizens
or at least i do

[R3DRobo]

red im only going to address this because we don't agree and we're not going to get anywhere but i feel really strongly on this partthat isn't respect that's fear
parents are usually 2-3x the size of the child that they're being disciplined by and what the forget do you think a child's gonna think when some forgetin relative giant is bringing them pain

it's like with police and stuff sometimes they say that people respect the badge but a lot of people fear them instead because of the amount of power they hold over normal citizens
or at least i do

Very often as a child I knew what I was doing was wrong and I in fact brought these consequences on myself. Parents are not spanking infants they are spanking highly intelligent children which our modern society has written off as very stupid in their development years. Spanking did not teach me to fear my parents, it made me fear doing very very not-smart things.

In short, we don't spank babies straight out of the womb, that would be absurd. It's when our minds develop and we become more aware of how the world works.