[Poll] Which political party of the US do you prefer

[Frequency]

This isn't new though, and we had basically the same disputes when our country was founded, except it was Federalists versus Jeffersonian Republicans. It's been over three hundred years and we still haven't decided whether the US should use big or small government, and which to what extent. It will never be solved and it'll always be a sort of tug-of-war between both ideologies, but as long as we don't start a Civil War over it, we should be fine.

I mean that's understandable, but if the majority of the country were in favor of a particular thing then that would be more unifying, and that's what I want to see.

I lived in a pretty insular liberal community for many years, and the whole culture of outrage is basically a lack of understanding on both sides. Liberals by-and-large do not understand that prematurely labeling people as national socialists and tribals effectively terminates any chance of a productive dialog happening (this is something I admit to being guilty of myself). On the other hand, conservatives can't seem to tell the difference between trendy Tumblr SJWs - versus people who are activists because their rights are at stake. Both these problems prevent people from peaceably solving these issues since both extremes are too quick to label the other as tribal or SJW.
I do think it's a passing trend because I think that liberals will have to reassess their tactics in the next four years. We're pretty bad at winning local elections, and our party establishment gave an unfair edge to a candidate that was probably the most unpopular among Democrats. What we're doing isn't working.

I see, that makes sense.
With what you've said in mind, I think these issues will dissolve as the next generation grows up and learns to pick things apart objectively.

or it'll get worse because of their parents lol

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[SeventhSandwich]

I mean that's understandable, but if the majority of the country were in favor of a particular thing then that would be more unifying, and that's what I want to see.

If you want majority rule, then getting rid of the electoral college is an option. It's probably not a good option though, because it'll effectively deprive representation from Middle America during presidential elections.

[Nonnel]

a unified country and a government that promotes patriotism and a strong work ethic

very nationalistic of you

[IkeTheGeneric]

very nationalistic of you

You aren't very self aware, are you?

[Nonnel]

You aren't very self aware, are you?

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[Frequency]

If you want majority rule, then getting rid of the electoral college is an option. It's probably not a good option though, because it'll effectively deprive representation from Middle America during presidential elections.

That's why I'm opposed to simply using the popular the vote because then only major population centers matter during an election. I think the solution would require an incredible event that would shape the opinion of the majority of the country at once in a particular direction.

very nationalistic of you

Good eye.

[IkeTheGeneric]

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Seventh just posted that liberals have an issue doling out labels and accusations, practically shutting down any productive dialogue. Almost immediately after that, you shoot down Frequency giving his honest piece with an accusation of nationalism.

[SeventhSandwich]

That's why I'm opposed to simply using the popular the vote because then only major population centers matter during an election. I think the solution would require an incredible event that would shape the opinion of the majority of the country at once in a particular direction.

Be careful what you wish for. At least with the issues divided at a close 50/50 split, it's not really possible for one political faction to completely domineer over the other. The power struggle prevents tyrannical rule.

I think that 9/11 was an example of what you're talking about, where a sudden event galvanized support for invading Iraq. But in hindsight we know that was a mistake.

[Nonnel]

Seventh just posted that liberals have an issue doling out labels and accusations, practically shutting down any productive dialogue. Almost immediately after that, you shoot down Frequency giving his honest piece with an accusation of nationalism.

as if I read through every post in the thread before posting
I didn't shoot down his post, either. just making a note.

[IkeTheGeneric]

as if I read through every post in the thread before posting

You should probably make that a habit, because you pretty much proved his point

[Frequency]

Be careful what you wish for. At least with the issues divided at a close 50/50 split, it's not really possible for one political faction to completely domineer over the other. The power struggle prevents tyrannical rule.
I think that 9/11 was an example of what you're talking about, where a sudden event galvanized support for invading Iraq. But in hindsight we know that was a mistake.

Well ideally it would be a positive event but you can't always get what you want. Or what you need.

[Nonnel]

You should probably make that a habit, because you pretty much proved his point

no thanks

[Alternat¡ve]

very nationalistic of you

wow i can't believe its another episode of "nonnel confuses nationalism with LITERALLY Riddler FASCISM tribal"

[IkeTheGeneric]

Well ideally it would be a positive event but you can't always get what you want. Or what you need.

I think the idea Seventh is going for is that an event like that would be very likely to influence the masses towards making what will be looked at in hindsight as a poor judgement, much like the invasion of Iraq.

An event that can get everyone unequivocally behind an ideal always has the chance of being a double-edged sword in the long run.

[Nonnel]

wow i can't believe its another episode of "nonnel confuses nationalism with LITERALLY Riddler FASCISM tribal"

i literally just said nationalism