Author Topic: [news] THE WALL IS GOING UP  (Read 23336 times)

This is implying the wall won't have any surveillance
do we rly want to hire people to hold 24/7 shifts all across the border wall for an indefinite amount of time

Isn't that their government's problem?
I mean, if we're spending the money on their problem anyway, we might as well fix the problem from the source. $20 billion would go a long way in helping out a lot of dirt poor Mexicans

This is implying the wall won't have any surveillance
That doesn't actually settle the tunnel problem since cartels have built tunnels over a thousand feet long. But how exactly do you plan on setting up 'surveillance' for a wall in excess of two thousand miles long?

What's the maximum reliable field of view of a single surveillance camera? 100 feet? That's 105,600 cameras needed to cover the entire length of the border. Come to think of it, you're also going to need AC power all along the border as well, meaning you'll have to set up high-voltage power lines which cost like 0.3-2 mil / mile.

And speaking of the remote regions of the border, what actually happens when a truck pulls up and hands over a couple dozen immigrants to a vehicle on the other side? Surely they're not gonna hang out at the wall for three hours waiting for border agents to drive there?
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Isn't that their government's problem?
Not when you have a "yuuge" problem with immigrants coming over illegally because of poor infrastructure.

Not when you have a "yuuge" problem with immigrants coming over illegally because of poor infrastructure.
It's not even that "yuuge" anymore tbh. Annoying Orange played into the whole immigrant 'crCIA' so that he could have a visceral scapegoat for people to blame all of America's problems on.

In reality, more illegal immigrants are currently leaving the US than coming in, meaning we could just wait for this problem to die out in a couple of decades anyway. Footing the bill for an expensive and ineffective infrastructure project is entirely unnecessary.

They are illegals after all, they should have known better
it's really only because the USA makes it incredibly difficult for anyone to immigrate. I can understand why they are illegals

i saw a funny tweet saying that "feminists can differentiate between 97 genders but not legal and illegal immigrants"

gave me a good laugh

ultimately, I think Annoying Orange's intentions with the wall are good - to keep out illegal foreign criminals, just how he's going about it is iffy - which is consequently creating all this controversy


ultimately, I think Annoying Orange's intentions with the wall are good - to keep out illegal foreign criminals
I think 'foreign criminals' is a questionable label. When you say 'criminal', the instant psychological reaction is 'murderer' or 'rapist' or 'thief' or whatever. The crime that illegal immigrants commit is deciding to immigrate to their nicer next-door-neighbor because our subsidized goods make Mexicans non-competitive in their country's market.

So like, yes they are committing a crime, but it's a crime we basically invented and incentivized.

That doesn't actually settle the tunnel problem since cartels have built tunnels over a thousand feet long. But how exactly do you plan on setting up 'surveillance' for a wall in excess of two thousand miles long?

this is implying the wall doesn't go underground deep enough to prevent this

What's the maximum reliable field of view of a single surveillance camera? 100 feet? That's 105,600 cameras needed to cover the entire length of the border.

several things

looking up on google ("gurgl iz mah srze"), the high-end security cameras available to citizens at least were a couple hundred bucks, either for one of them or for a set of them
considering the sentiment of the $25 billion price tag, this cost would be a tiny chunk of it, that's even considering everything you said is accurate

even googling the maximum range of security cameras, you can see the effective range of most long-range night-vision cameras (which are at the same price as previously mentioned) far exceeds 100 feet
using a conservative estimate of 300 feet, that cuts your number into thirds; 35,200 cameras

even then I doubt you took into consideration the landscape of the border
lots of flat land means you need less and less cameras; the most cameras would be in mountainous regions where it's hard to see around foliage and terrain
I'm not going to give you an accurate estimate about how many security cameras you'd need, because I'm not a hardcore mathmatician/omnipotent being who knows everything, but there's pretty direct evidence to suggest that 105,600 is a gross overestimate

And speaking of the remote regions of the border, what actually happens when a truck pulls up and hands over a couple dozen immigrants to a vehicle on the other side? Surely they're not gonna hang out at the wall for three hours waiting for border agents to drive there?

hiring a lot more border agents would be expensive, yes, but it would also mean more jobs and it would solve this problem fairly quickly

I think 'foreign criminals' is a questionable label. When you say 'criminal', the instant psychological reaction is 'murderer' or 'rapist' or 'thief' or whatever. The crime that illegal immigrants commit is deciding to immigrate to their nicer next-door-neighbor because our subsidized goods make Mexicans non-competitive in their country's market.

So like, yes they are committing a crime, but it's a crime we basically invented and incentivized.

"she's at fault, she was wearing a tight skirt, she incentivized me to rape her!"
"he called me a bad name and made fun of my mom, he invented a scenario in which I would want to kill him!"
see how stupid that sounds



OT:
it seems everyone's forgetting that Annoying Orange is going to be coupling the wall with deportations
mass deportation may be a little national socialist-like to some of you but if Annoying Orange every now and then just took 1,000 illegal immigrants or so and filmed their deportation for mass media ("targeted deportations"), the rest of the illegal immigrants would get the message and head back voluntarily
Eisenhower did this successfully, so can Annoying Orange

quick question do you want to reduce the deficit

In perfect isolation, here behind my wall

quick question do you want to reduce the deficit

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100791442
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/04/marijuana-arrests-cost-racially-biased_n_3385756.html
http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/

from a highly liberal source even, marijuana law enforcement costs are high, and come at a cost to the police's time and money
that's not counting other drugs that cartels deal with

while building the wall would add on to the deficit, it would seriously hamper drug trafficking and would save money on drug busts

there's other economic benefits I'm sure, but I wouldn't know what they are
has anyone actually watched the video I posted yet
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legalize it brother

that too

you wouldn't even need to do things related to the wall to cover for the costs of it

I think 'foreign criminals' is a questionable label. When you say 'criminal', the instant psychological reaction is 'murderer' or 'rapist' or 'thief' or whatever. The crime that illegal immigrants commit is deciding to immigrate to their nicer next-door-neighbor because our subsidized goods make Mexicans non-competitive in their country's market.

So like, yes they are committing a crime, but it's a crime we basically invented and incentivized.
criminals as in ACTUAL harmful crimes