transloveuality as a mental disability - discussion

[Daswiruch]

so... both, then?

did i stutter

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[Planr]

like i'm not even discussing here whether or not homoloveuality is acceptable. i'm just explaining why it's a choice.

it's a choice to have love with a man. it's not a choice to be naturally attracted to one. homoloveuality refers to the later. planr, think. get those gears turning. this is basic stuff.

what people are attracted to changes over time, you know. this is true for all aspects of life. giving in to your attractions is a choice.

another good example of this is smoking. smokers have strong biological urges to smoke because of the influence of nicotine in their brain. they can change their biological attraction to smoking through therapy and medication. eventually they no longer want to smoke anymore.

you know most of the people who are forced to go through that either kill themselves or distance themselves from religion

being forced to go through with it by others and choosing to do it on your own accord are two different things. for people who don't want to change, then sure, they won't change.

[Pecon]

another good example of this is smoking. smokers have strong biological urges to smoke because of the influence of nicotine in their brain. they can change their biological attraction to smoking through therapy and medication.

smokers weren't born with the urge to smoke. that only came about because they got addicted. Are you really this dense? It's not a choice if you're born with it, and there are zero scientifically proven methods to remove the desires of homoloveuals or those with gender dysphoria.

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You must be mildly handicapped if you think wanting to eat a bag of oreos is the same as being gay.

His point is whether you are homoloveual or not it isn't impossible to not give into loveual desires. Those desires being actually having love and so forth. You can be attracted to something sure. But you can resist going out of your way to forget it. He's also not saying that homoloveuality is choice. He's saying that the loveual act is a choice. People who are born straight can make the choice of whether or not they want to make love to partner and so forth.

Correct me if I'm wrong, Planr.

[Steve5451²]

like i'm not even discussing here whether or not homoloveuality is acceptable. i'm just explaining why it's a choice.

what you're not getting is that you've mistaken an action for a feeling. homoloveuality isn't what you think it is.

[Ninja Decoy]

His point is whether you are homoloveual or not it isn't impossible to not give into loveual desires. Those desires being actually having love and so forth. You can be attracted to something sure. But you can resist going out of your way to forget it. He's also not saying that homoloveuality is choice. He's saying that the loveual act is a choice. People who are born straight can make the choice of whether or not they want to make love to partner and so forth.

Correct me if I'm wrong, Planr.

Except he pretty much said in the above post that he things homoloveuality as a whole is a choice, not just the act of love.

[Nonnel]

being forced to go through with it by others and choosing to do it on your own accord are two different things. for people who don't want to change, then sure, they won't change.

is there any real reason for them to "change"

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It's not a choice if you're born with it, and there are zero scientifically proven methods to remove the desires of homoloveuals or those with gender dysphoria.

It is impossible to remove the desires or feelings. But it possible for the individual to resist the urges. Sure people who smoke have urges but no where near in the same sense. Smokers are those who have succumbed to the disease of addiction. Addiction is on a whole other realm and is completely different from loveuality.

Except he pretty much said in the above post that he things homoloveuality as a whole is a choice, not just the act of love.

Oh I see. Well that's stuff.

[Planr]

smokers weren't born with the urge to smoke. that only came about because they got addicted. Are you really this dense?

neither are people born with the urge to be attracted to a certain gender. that only came about because of their upbringing.

scientists have searched tirelessly for decades to find the supposed "gay gene" and have not found it. they've found potential pointers, but nothing concrete.

case in point, I had classmates in my high school who were identical twin brothers. same DNA, same genes. one of them was completely straight, the other was flamboyantly gay.

He's also not saying that homoloveuality is choice. He's saying that the loveual act is a choice. People who are born straight can make the choice of whether or not they want to make love to partner and so forth.

Correct me if I'm wrong, Planr.

well i am saying that people choose what they want to be attracted to. if they didn't, there would be no reason for, say for example, advertising companies to make their product alluring in commercials. they want to produce in people the desire to buy their product. simply telling them to buy the product doesn't work. people can choose not to be attracted to the product by reading negative reviews about it, or simply not watching TV so they dont see the advertisement in the future.

i'll admit that a person's upbringing (where they largely can't control what they're exposed to) largely influences how they behave and act later on. for example, people with loveual special interestes often developed that special interest due to things they witnessed, heard about, or were involved in growing up. case in point, many homoloveual men have a childhood history of loveual abuse by other men.

is there any real reason for them to "change"

religious reasons are obviously the primary reason. and yes, that is a real reason.

It is impossible to remove the desires or feelings.

it is though. there are documented cases of gay men who have successfully changed their loveual attractions to be attracted to women.

castrated men also have much less desire to have love with others, because of lack of testosterone (assuming they aren't taking testosterone treatment).

Addiction is on a whole other realm and is completely different from loveuality.

love addiction is a real thing.

[Swollow]

homoloveuality and gender dysphoria are not a choice,
however despite how much information and experiences we provide and impart to you, in the end you won't change your view point and you surely will not change your ideals because that's what you were raised to believe, I take pity on your ignorance

[Pecon]

neither are people born with the urge to be attracted to a certain gender. that only came about because of their upbringing.

scientists have searched tirelessly for decades to find the supposed "gay gene" and have not found it. they've found potential pointers, but nothing concrete.

case in point, I had classmates in my high school who were identical twin brothers. same DNA, same genes. one of them was completely straight, the other was flamboyantly gay.

Just because there isn't scientific evidence showing why homoloveuality occurs does not automatically mean that it's a developed behavior. Scientists are starting to study epigenetics which I'm betting will eventually explain it, but you can't just conclude to a baseless theory due to lack of evidence for another theory. You've got some serious mental gymnastics going on to keep coming up with examples like this.

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love addiction is a real thing.

Yes but how does that correlate with loveuality? I'm straight, but that doesn't mean I'm addicted to making love to women.

Homoloveuals are just men attracted to men. It is an addiction when they compulsively screw men non stop. Same goes for heteroloveuals and alike.

[Ninja Decoy]

Yes but how does that correlate with loveuality? I'm straight, but that doesn't mean I'm addicted to making love to women.

Homoloveuals are just men attracted to men. It is an addiction when they compulsively screw men non stop. Same goes for heteroloveuals and alike.

And to add to this its not like being addicted to love (on either side) is a bad thing unless it starts to negatively affect you or other peoples health.

What I don't get is why planr is so obsessed about what other people do in their private life, like it affects him or something.

[Nonnel]

yeah i don't understand the conservative stance of "GAY MARRIAGE SHOULD BE BANNED" but "THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD STAY OUT OF OUR PERSONAL LIVES"

[Insert Name Here²]

homoloveuality and gender dysphoria are not a choice,
however despite how much information and experiences we provide and impart to you, in the end you won't change your view point and you surely will not change your ideals because that's what you were raised to believe, I take pity on your ignorance