That Religion Thread: Is it okay to absorb bits of other religions into yours?

[Headcrab Zombie]

When it threatens the values of freedom

Every religion wants everyone to follow it's values. So before you say a religion should be banned for "threatening freedom" I would look at how much of a driving force Christianity has been in fighting against many civil rights movements.

Also, the act of banning a religion would in itself be a threat to freedom, as we (at least in the US) have a constitutional right to follow whatever religion we want

When it threatens the values of freedom and lives of a country and it's people and is an all around incompatible religion.

And what point do you determine that it's the religion, as opposed to a minority group of it's followers, that is the threat?
How do you specifically and objectively define "incompatible" in this context?

How would that even be possible? The government can't know what's in people's heads. At least until we all start wearing neural implants and the NSA gets in.

This is another thing to address. Even if there was a moral (and legal) reason to ban a religion, there's no feasible way to do so. You can make legislation to ban some specific practices (like polygamy, for example) but there's no way to ban a belief

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[Steve5451²]

No religion should be banned. If they have illegal practices then let the law take care of it.

[TristanLuigi]

Religious practices should never take precedence over secular law, which means you shouldn't get religious exemptions for anything you'd otherwise have to do. This might mean certain religious actions might be banned, like a teacher promoting prayer, or a female Muslim that normally wears a having to remove a burqa for a driver's license.

Of course, beliefs themselves shouldn't be banned. That's ridiculous.

[otto-san]

never. true freedom of speech and expression can never exist if you allow a state to decide which ideas and beliefs are acceptable, and this includes restricting beliefs as well as promoting some above others.

[Nonnel]

Never. If they are actively doing something illegal, then arrest the people doing it. There is no reason to generalize an entire religion.

[Super Suit 12]

It isn't.

[Drydess]

unless someone makes a religion specifically promoting murdering everyone you see it aint

[Headcrab Zombie]

unless someone makes a religion specifically promoting murdering everyone you see it aint

Again, you can only been the act of murder
There's no way of banning them from holding the belief that they should murder everyone

[Drydess]

Again, you can only been the act of murder
There's no way of banning them from holding the belief that they should murder everyone

if every muslim was in support of bombing innocent people and all that crap then i'd be happy to put a ban on them, and so would everyone else

[Headcrab Zombie]

if every muslim was in support of bombing innocent people and all that crap then i'd be happy to put a ban on them, and so would everyone else

The point you're missing is that you have no way of feasibly knowing if someone holds a belief. The best you can do is to ask them, to which of course they can just lie.

So if you wanted to ban Islam, you could ban the practice: close down Mosques, ban the Quran, outlaw Islam's specific prayer practices and clothing, etc. But you can't dig into someone's mind and determine with 100% accuracy if they believe something.

The government can't know what's in people's heads. At least until we all start wearing neural implants and the NSA gets in.

It's basically a problem of enforcing the ban

[Drydess]

So if you wanted to ban Islam, you could ban the practice: close down Mosques, ban the Quran, outlaw Islam's specific prayer practices and clothing, etc.

this is what i was trying to get at

[Deus Ex]

Religions shouldn't be banned; the practices in the religion that threaten the rights of people in it or near it should be.

[Master Matthew²]

No religion should be banned. If they have illegal practices then let the law take care of it.

Religions shouldn't be banned; the practices in the religion that threaten the rights of people in it or near it should be.

"Don't ban the religion because it's threatening the people, just ban the beliefs and practices of the religion because it's threatening the people."

This is just semantics done to try and make it seem like there is a 'Better way to handle it' when in reality you're doing the same thing, with
weaker results, because you're trying to cushion the blow because you don't want seem "tribal to religion'.

[torin²]

"Don't ban the religion because it's threatening the people, just ban the beliefs and practices of the religion because it's threatening the people."

This is just semantics done to try and make it seem like there is a 'Better way to handle it' when in reality you're doing the same thing, with
weaker results, because you're trying to cushion the blow because you don't want seem "tribal to religion'.

hey handicap can you read

[Rigel]

It's never okay.