[ALERT!] Terrorist Blows up Manchester Arena - Multiple Injured!

[otto-san]

Besides the fact that terrorism is the peak of the iceberg known as islam, where they live and how they grew uo gives them no excuse to blow stuff up.

And even if it did, that doesn't change the statistics.

if it wasn't clear enough, my argument was that the climate of the regions is, in fact, the reason for the individuals to feel inclined toward terrorism, rather than islam. i'm clarifying because you appear to be asserting that islam->terrorism as substance for the argument that islam->terrorism, which seems nonsensical to me given the context. my argument was not an attempt to wave away or excuse the actions of terrorists, it was offering an alternate, more likely explanation as to why they might decide to become terrorists.

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[PhantOS]

This is the stupidest thing I've ever read

i phrased it pretty bad but i meant to say punishing people for their beliefs is wrong

[Master Matthew²]

i phrased it pretty bad but i meant to say punishing people for their beliefs is wrong

Even if their beliefs are to attack a culture and destroy their way of life?

[PhantOS]

Even if their beliefs are to attack a culture and destroy their way of life?

that criteria is entirely subjective so yes.

The point of freedom of speech and religion is that its not loving selective. there are people in this thread that believe that islam should be destroyed and thats fine. There are also people out there that believe christianity should be destroyed. If you want to get offended by one and not the other, fine. But that doesnt mean we can selectively forget one group over

[Master Matthew²]

if it wasn't clear enough, my argument was that the climate of the regions is, in fact, the reason for the individuals to feel inclined toward terrorism, rather than islam. i'm clarifying because you appear to be asserting that islam->terrorism as substance for the argument that islam->terrorism, which seems nonsensical to me given the context. my argument was not an attempt to wave away or excuse the actions of terrorists, it was offering an alternate explanation as to why they might decide to become terrorists.

Why a criminal becomes a criminal is irrelevant, breaking a law is a choice.

Becoming a terrorist is a choice.

More importantly, this won't change anything now.

[crazies alt]

Becoming a terrorist is a choice.

even more importantly, a choice between life and death

[otto-san]

Why a criminal becomes a criminal is irrelevant, breaking a law is a choice.

Becoming a terrorist is a choice.

More importantly, this won't change anything now.

if that's the case, then it doesn't matter whether or not islam inspires terrorists, so the entire discussion is moot. this response seems to indicate that all you care about is that we take action against terrorists, however you also seem to be arguing that the primary inspiration for them is islam, and this second point is what i was addressing.

[PhantOS]

Why a criminal becomes a criminal is irrelevant, breaking a law is a choice.

Becoming a terrorist is a choice.

More importantly, this won't change anything now.

being a terrorist is a choice, but being middle eastern isnt. This is why you should focus more on how we can deal with terrorism vs how can we deal with an ethnic group witha different set of beliefs

[Alteration]

1) they are useful in specific situations, and for outlining trends. i dont mean to come off as 'these statistics dont fit my point of view' but using a small sample size to quantify beliefs of billions of humans isn't feasible

But those "billions of humans" are sharing the same basic religious beliefs. If you were to find that 80% of the ice cream in a town was vanilla flavored you could probably assume at least 40% of the ice cream in an entire county was vanilla, even if the overall sample size was small.
I don't like generalizing people but these terrorist attacks are usually done by Islamic radicals. The statistics show that plain as day. It doesn't mean that all of them are hateful and radical because many of them are peaceful, but like otto-san said, the terrorists come mainly from underdeveloped/politically unstable countries where violence is often a part of the environment (as those statistics show). Those people are the violent ones and those are the people being brought over with genuine refugees and causing this kind of destruction.

2) neo national socialists can believe in whatever they want because im okay with freedom of speech and opinion. im not okay with a neo national socialist shooting up a black church, but that doesnt mean i use it to justify some sort of punishment for the other 99% of neo national socialists not involved

I know many liberal (generally far-left) users support the whole "punch a national socialist" thing and I was wondering about your stance. Just seeing if you'd slip lol.

being a terrorist is a choice, but being middle eastern isnt. This is why you should focus more on how we can deal with terrorism vs how can we deal with an ethnic group witha different set of beliefs

^^^This is where I wish more right-wingers were sensitive to. Not all Arabs/Middle-easterners are Islamists in the same way not all white people are Christians, and dealing with an ethnic group is not equatable to dealing with a religion.

[otto-san]

but like otto-san said, the terrorists come mainly from underdeveloped countries where violent religious fanaticism is the norm (as those statistics show).

i know alteration is usually having a laugh when he posts in these discussions, but to be sure, this is a misrepresentation of what i was saying. my argument was that the climate of these regions incubate and give reason for individuals to become radicalized and resort to unconventional protest, not that this is simply acceptable behavior in these regions. the many thousands of regular people subject to those war-torn communities and nations would probably strongly disagree with that sentiment.

[Kochieboy]

Not all muslim peoples are Islamists in the same way not all white people are Christians, and dealing with an ethnic group is not equatable to dealing with a religion.

Reword this, muslim means someone who is islamic. It's like using christian to describe someone catholic. Water is wet.

[Alteration]

i know alteration is usually having a laugh when he posts in these discussions, but to be sure, this is a misrepresentation of what i was saying. my argument was that the climate of these regions incubate and give reason for individuals to become radicalized and resort to unconventional protest, not that this is simply acceptable behavior in these regions. the many thousands of regular people subject to those war-torn communities and nations would probably strongly disagree with that sentiment.

I'm sure they would, I didn't mean to phrase it like that. I meant it more as "living in a warzone makes it the norm" more than "everybody there is a crazy". Also yes, everything before that post was a joke.

Reword this, muslim means someone who is islamic. It's like using christian to describe someone catholic. Water is wet.

Sorry padre

[PhantOS]

I know many liberal (generally far-left) users support the whole "punch a national socialist" thing and I was wondering about your stance. Just seeing if you'd slip lol.

if i did support that i'd be a hypocrite, and hypocrites exist on all sides of the political spectrum

Its like my personal goal to be as consistent as possinle. I see people like matthew rant about free speech being dead in one thread and then come here talking about how people with a different opinion should be punished. I dont want to end up like iq master mcsuperiorgenes

[Maxwell.]

Water is wet.

I just invented hydrophobic water

[Tactical Nuke]

Its like my personal goal to be as consistent as possinle. I see people like matthew rant about free speech being dead in one thread and then come here talking about how people with a different opinion should be punished. I dont want to end up like iq master mcsuperiorgenes

free speech does not cover violence or encouragement of violence

I would think that you know this