Why is All Lives Matter considered tribal?

[Nonnel]

i thought its because "black lives matter" has an implicit "too" at the end, whereas "all lives matter" is just a smartarse response that downplays the point of "black lives matter"

this is indeed the reason

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[The Resonte!]

i thought its because "black lives matter" has an implicit "too" at the end, whereas "all lives matter" is just a smartarse response that downplays the point of "black lives matter"

If "black lives mattered, too" they'd show it with peace, not rampaging through cities, beating up white people and burning cars and stuff.

lol peace good luck with that as a protest method

[HypnoT]

If "black lives mattered, too" they'd show it with peace, not rampaging through cities, beating up white people and burning cars and stuff.

When any group is mad enough mob mentality takes over, it's a tradeoff of any large protest group. I'm not condoning violence or destruction caused by people involved with BLM but riots are GOING to break out when human rights are being violated. The other danger of riots and stuff is that it distances themselves from the more pacifist activists who started the movement in the first place.

[Tactical Nuke]

ALM is not tribal imo but looking at it from an outside perspective it looks to be minimizing the efforts made by groups like BLM.

therefore it is indirectly tribal

also, what are BLM's efforts, anyway? all I see them doing is making it easier to vilify cops and driving them away from their neighborhoods, which in turn raises the amount of crime that happens, which escalates the even bigger issue of lethal black-on-black crime

The point of groups like BLM is to emphasize the injustice towards a minority group, lumping them all together leaves them feeling further marginalized. BLM itself is not tribal since it's about equality and asking for equal stance, not about a race being better or worse than another.

bullstuff
if they were really looking for equality then they'd be actively asking the cops to kill them, because white people actually get gunned down by police more than black people do

Your statement proves itself wrong, feminism isn't about getting MORE rights than men, it's about getting more rights to have the same amount of rights as men.

https://youtu.be/w3OoIAXPta0

It's easy to think that we are all born equal but in most cultures men are favoured over women.

women are the sole propagators of life for our species
they essentially get to choose who lives and who dies

we are all equal under the law, but in order to be truly equal (under your definition) would require sacrifices from both sides which would make everyone miserable and unhappy

The bias towards men creates disproportionate ratios of men-to-women in colleges, universities, businesses, etc.

if you mean the disproportionate ratios in favor of female graduates at college, then yes
or the disproportionate ratios in favor of women graduating high school
take your pick

The important thing to remember is that it isn't just about asking men to  treat women equally, there are plenty of women who believe women should be dedicated family makers and house wives, they hinder younger women's development just as much if not more than men do since they are often the authority figures in young women's lives.

did you ever consider that maybe they should be family makers and housewives because they legitimately enjoy it?
it's partially subjective but that may be because they don't have to "work" and they get to spend time with their little creations (geez that sounded weird)

Other parts of the problem include the fact that men prefer working with other men so in an already male-dominated work environment they are more likely to hire other men to maintain the comfort level, same goes for promotions and bonuses hence the wage gap.

men have been proven to be infinitely more of risk-takers than women
that's why they make up the majority of CEOs and the majority of the homeless

also the wage gap is the biggest hoax ever concocted by the feminist movement and I feel sorry for you knowing that you probably believe it exists

Then there's other things too like marketing, games tend to have a male protagonist because most of the game creators are male, game consoles are targeted towards males, so the game is created to create a connection with a male player. The problem isn't with any individual part of the process it's a problem of an endless cycle that perpetuates a gender bias.

then the feminists try to write "strong female characters" and they fail astoundingly because gender is not the most important part of a story and if you believe it is then I have no idea how you enjoy stories but I don't want to find out

i thought its because "black lives matter" has an implicit "too" at the end, whereas "all lives matter" is just a smartarse response that downplays the point of "black lives matter"

nobody knows the trouble I've seen

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the fact that people are still using this comparison to delegitimize #AllLivesMatter crushes my faith in the human race

you don't say "all houses matter, so let's douse every house equally"
you say "HOLY stuff THAT HOUSE IS ON FIRE, DOUSE IT IN WATER BECAUSE A L L  H O U S E S  M A T T E R"

[PhantOS]

you don't say "all houses matter, so let's douse every house equally"
you say "HOLY stuff THAT HOUSE IS ON FIRE, DOUSE IT IN WATER BECAUSE A L L  H O U S E S  M A T T E R"

yeah but people never actually say that. best ive seen is people ranting about how trayvon martin deserved to die because he stole someone's keys a year before is death, and how the people who beat up the handicapped white kid should be executed with no trial

in theory 'all lives matter' should be a good message but at its core it serves to belittle the efforts of minority groups in their fight for other rights. black lives matter isn't only black lives matter, it just serves to make a statement in a country where for many years black lives didnt matter. at the same time, all lives matter isn't all lives but black ones matter, but its still supposed to be implied that everybody's lives matter already

its like pitting a kid in a wheelchair against an olympic runner in an obstacle course and saying 'listen guys all lives matter so im going to judge you both equally.' the wheelchair kid will obviously lose but since you judge objectively and unbiased you're going to say the olympic runner won and end the conversation. if the wheelchair kid goes over to you and says that the course was unfair since he's in a wheelchair all you can say is "well everyone has equal opportunity here so i judge everyone equal. isn't that better than 'disabled kids matter'"

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bullstuff
if they were really looking for equality then they'd be actively asking the cops to kill them, because white people actually get gunned down by police more than black people do

This statistic is about the actual numbers of people that are shot - this shouldn't be a surprise because white people are 63% of the US population and black people are only 12%.

According to the most recent census data, there are nearly 160 million more white people in America than there are black people. White people make up roughly 62 percent of the U.S. population but only about 49 percent of those who are killed by police officers. African Americans, however, account for 24 percent of those fatally shot and killed by the police despite being just 13 percent of the U.S. population. As The Post noted in a new brown townysis published last week, that means black Americans are 2.5 times as likely as white Americans to be shot and killed by police officers.

Source

Please take your bullstuff narrative somewhere else.

[IkeTheGeneric]

From somebody I know that thinks it's tribal, they say at ALM's best, it's a hollow feel-good message that seeks to purposely belittle any racial movements because "The blacks think it's all about them", and at worst it's a knee-jerk response solely to BLM just to one-up them.

I'm not too well versed in social justice as of late so take this with a grain of salt.

[otto-san]

it's just often dismissive and used to deflect the problems BLM is protesting back onto black people. instead of acknowledging the problems that the movement brings up, it refuses to look at it deeper than its name, then dismisses the movement as a whole for being inherently tribal, which is a very convenient reversal for a movement that has its roots in individuals claiming to be the victim of institutional racism. it's low-effort rhetoric that people use to indirectly blame black people for their problems, or at the very least, divert attention from those problems with an accusation of racism

[Tactical Nuke]

This statistic is about the actual numbers of people that are shot - this shouldn't be a surprise because white people are 63% of the US population and black people are only 12%.
Source

Please take your bullstuff narrative somewhere else.

If we're talking bullstuff narratives, the one you just pulled up is a fresh, hot, steaming pile of donkey turds.

https://law.yale.edu/system/files/area/workshop/leo/leo16_fryer.pdf

This paper explores racial differences in police use of force. On non-lethal uses of force, blacks and Hispanics are more than fifty percent more likely to experience some form of force in interactions with police. Adding controls that account for important context and civilian behavior reduces, but cannot fully explain, these disparities. On the most extreme use of force – officer-involved shootings – we find no racial differences in either the raw data or when contextual factors are taken into account. We argue that the patterns in the data are consistent with a model in which police officers are utility maximizers, a fraction of which have a preference for discrimination, who incur relatively high expected costs of officer-involved shootings.

Black people commit over 50% of all homicides. White people commit 45% of them. That means that relatively, black people kill people about 7-10 times the rate that white people do. When black people kill, such as whites do, victims tend to be overwhelmingly members of the perpetrator's race. 93% of black-perpetrated homicides are against other blacks, and in 2015, about 6,000 blacks were killed by other blacks, as opposed to 258 killed by police, and that's not even to consider the justification for each shooting by police. These statistics have even been consistent for decades.

Hostilities towards police can basically be explained by the breakdown of the African-American family and the increased aggressiveness towards the police brought on by rappers constantly yelling "forget the police" and other variations. If you don't have a father in the house, you are waaay more likely to become a criminal. This is proven fact. Even Obama commented on it. Considering the hellhole that the ghetto is and how the left just pulled the cops out of those neighborhoods (not literally of course), no stuff you're going to get tenser relations with cops.

[otto-san]

Hostilities towards police can basically be explained by the breakdown of the African-American family and the increased aggressiveness towards the police brought on by rappers constantly yelling "forget the police" and other variations. If you don't have a father in the house, you are waaay more likely to become a criminal.

i think poverty has a much more intimate link with crime than family influences, and i think poverty is also probably heavily involved in these family problems

[King Tøny]

it's a hollow feel-good message that seeks to purposely belittle any racial movements because "The blacks think it's all about them",

Well it's true, right? After all the group is named "Black Lives Matter" not "Black Lives Also Matter" or "Black Lives Matter, too"

So black lives are more important than Native American lives?

Hispanic?

Asian?

Maybe they should change their group name.

[Insert Name Here²]

Imo saying "all lives matter" is much better than just saying one racial group matters more than the others.

[SeventhSandwich]

Black people commit over 50% of all homicides. White people commit 45% of them. That means that relatively, black people kill people about 7-10 times the rate that white people do. When black people kill, such as whites do, victims tend to be overwhelmingly members of the perpetrator's race. 93% of black-perpetrated homicides are against other blacks, and in 2015, about 6,000 blacks were killed by other blacks, as opposed to 258 killed by police, and that's not even to consider the justification for each shooting by police. These statistics have even been consistent for decades.

BLM doesn't protest every single time a black man is killed - just when an unarmed one is killed, under suspicious circumstances, and coincidentally the cop gets off with zero consequences.

also, what are BLM's efforts, anyway? all I see them doing is making it easier to vilify cops and driving them away from their neighborhoods, which in turn raises the amount of crime that happens, which escalates the even bigger issue of lethal black-on-black crime

They more-or-less embody the social push towards body cameras, deescalation techniques, and better cop-community relations. Before people started protesting, larger society as a whole was either unaware or didn't give a stuff about any of this.

Imo saying "all lives matter" is much better than just saying one racial group matters more than the others.

Hence why the movement is called "Black Lives Matter More Than Whites". Just like that pesky "Breast-Cancer-The-Only-Important-Disease Awareness Month".

[Tactical Nuke]

Ask yourself whether the clips and stories you hear are a representative sample, or whether the people showing you those clips and stories have carefully curated them in order to make you think a certain thing. This applies to your links as well, Tactical Nuke.

I consider it a representative sample when it's the leaders of the organization. You didn't have MLK and all his buddies calling for white peoples' heads, did you?

I never "pulled up" any kind of narrative - I just pointed out your bullstuff understanding of statistics.

Here's a quote from the conclusion of that paper:
Maybe the stark racial disparity in all uses of force but lethal are the reason for tension between the police and minorities? I don't have time to hyperbrown townyze this paper so I'm not going to treat it as gospel, but it presents a more nuanced reality than the one you're proposing.

You're changing your argument and then pretending it was always that way. I answered your claim that blacks were 2.5 times more likely to get shot than white people, which the paper disproves. In that regard, police use of non-lethal force in regards to different races is irrelevant.

Tension between minorities and police results from the statistics that I listed. You can't deny that if you were a cop and you were in a situation where you were confronting an Asian, whose race was responsible for 62% of all homicides (hypothetical scenario), that you would treat him differently than a black man, who were responsible for 10%. Interactions can go south really loving fast. One black leader took part in exercises simulating this and was genuinely surprised at what he did in each scenario.

As for your ideas about rap/absent fathers I'd love to see actual sociological research instead of your stuffty backseat speculation

The absence of fathers leading to crime is a well-known fact. Here's a video that basically summarizes it, with a little more context on how the African-American family got to be so divided. A majority of black leaders acknowledge that it's a significant problem, sometimes even more than "racism".

[Master Matthew²]

yursa is a handicap and should be kicked out of BLM. her words don't reflect BLM's message

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