The shifting politics of inequality and the class ceiling

[PhantOS]

that's because money is objectively bad for people, and left to its own devices, money will pool onto the most opportunistic of businesses and will completely destroy circulation. by then either the business will have to smarten up and stimulate their own economy or they'll be destroyed by a revolution, resetting the cycle

in the end, a balance of social security and employment opportunities can stabilize society. Subsidize people too much (communism) and they will stop contributing and collapse everything. Subsidize too little and your source of labor will diminish and eventually rebel

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[Juncoph]

that's because money is objectively bad for people

it literally isn't though. money is just a tool that makes trade streamlined, and if we're calling trade objectively bad then we literally can't advance far past anarcho-primitivism. wealth can and does corrupt people, though, which is why you need a state that restricts the corporations and topples monopolies.

[PhantOS]

That's the thing, trading to excess is objectively bad. That's why regulations always need to exist, because without them people will trade too much, stimulate the dollar's value too much and collapse foreign trading. At the same time, regulating too much will essentially destroy business and also collapse the economy. Either way you look at it, there needs to be perfect equilibrium between how the dollar is spent and how it's earned

[Johnimiester]

what the forget are you even on about? how is the diversity of the far left relevant to communism in particular having a disproportionately bloody track record comparable to fascist regimes?

The majority of authoritarian violence on innocents though comes from authoritarian arguably socialist regimes like the Soviet Union and its satellite states. Anarchist and Libertarian Socialist rebellions, for example, as can be seen in Revolutionary Catalonia, Anarchist-controlled Ukraine, and the Zapatista movement in Mexico all have a political base which is both heavily opposed to and has been aggressively suppressed by the likes of the Soviet Union, making them all far less likely to enact violence and state suppression of civilians, as was the case with the aforementioned Russian state and its allies.

[Gock.]

if god damn white people had'm'st minded they own got damn business africa would be thriving communist nations

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if god damn white people had'm'st minded they own got damn business africa would be thriving communist nations

[PhantOS]

WE

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were kings

[PhantOS]

do you think if the greeks and romans hadn't taken over egypt there would still be egyptian pharoahs today

[DestroyerOfBlocks]

were kings

gentrification

[beachbum111111]

do you think if the greeks and romans hadn't taken over egypt there would still be egyptian pharoahs today

No the Caliphates would have still expanded.

[Ceist]

No the Caliphates would have still expanded.

this is a big assumption, especially considering that romans and greeks expanded before christianity even existed.

[Karl Marx]

Completely blowing off the genuine fact that the only attempts at communism have either been suppressed by the state or controlled centrally by a dictatorship simply because you've heard the argument many times doesn't make it any less correct. You're operating under the assumption that because people are disregarding the notion, it must be for a reason, and considering the argument invalid. This is a destructive mindset to have, because you've essentially cut off most reasonable arguments for one side of the debate before actually hearing them out.

[Ceist]

Completely blowing off the genuine fact that the only attempts at communism have either been suppressed by the state or controlled centrally by a dictatorship simply because you've heard the argument many times doesn't make it any less correct. You're operating under the assumption that because people are disregarding the notion, it must be for a reason, and considering the argument invalid. This is a destructive mindset to have, because you've essentially cut off most reasonable arguments for one side of the debate before actually hearing them out.

There should be no debate. True Communism is not feasible simply because humans are garbage and not mechanical.

Looks good on paper, but in practice, not so much. History has taught us this.

[Nonnel]

I think a classless society (where money and the state still exist, but there are no multi-million dollar corporations or ultra-inflated medicine) is viable.