The shifting politics of inequality and the class ceiling

[Ceist]

I think a classless society (where money and the state still exist, but there are no multi-million dollar corporations or ultra-inflated medicine) is viable.

This isn't feasible either though. We as humans subjugate others to benefit ourselves. This takes many forms.

A true classless society, the perfect civilization, would be if we all became robots.

[Ad Bot]

[Red Spy]

Looks good on paper, but in practice, not so much. History has taught us this.

having personal property seized doesn't sound good

[TristanLuigi]

having personal property seized doesn't sound good

this is kind of a misconception about communism
it's never been "your computer and your granola bars belong to the state," it's "industry and land belongs to society" (which can mean the state, but a lot of communists are anarchists)

[Red Spy]

it's never been "your computer and your granola bars belong to the state," it's "industry and land belongs to society" (which can mean the state, but a lot of communists are anarchists)

that sound even worse

[TristanLuigi]

that sound even worse

why does that sound worse
do you happen to own a factory

[PhantOS]

having things you invest money in be taken from your ownership and given to the public is literally theft. factories count in this category of investments

instead, just put in place regulations like labor laws and condition inspections at the factory's expense to ensure that workers are being treated fair

[TristanLuigi]

having things you invest money in be taken from your ownership and given to the public is literally theft. factories count in this category of investments

i'm not saying we should transfer factories into public ownership
i'm only disputing red spy's claim of "personal property being seized," because it's not about personal property at all.

i don't have to agree with communism to dispute stupid claims about it

instead, just put in place regulations like labor laws and condition inspections at the factory's expense to ensure that workers are being treated fair

yeah agreed

[PhantOS]

ok got it

[Johnimiester]

having things you invest money in be taken from your ownership and given to the public is literally theft. factories count in this category of investments

instead, just put in place regulations like labor laws and condition inspections at the factory's expense to ensure that workers are being treated fair

Having most of your work taken from you and treated as a commodity on the market without your prior consent is also theft.

Don't say people consent to being employed in such an environment either, because it's either that or starve, or attempt to found a co-op, which from what I've heard is very difficult to get any kind of funds for since nobody will loan to co-ops.

[Red Spy]

Don't say people consent to being employed either, because it's either that or starve.

[Foxscotch]

imagine spending 10$ to discuss politics as karl marx on a lego game forum

imagine spending $10 to continue posting on a lego game forum that you got banned from at least twice
I do agree though, novelty accounts are stupid as hell

[Novelty Account]

I do agree though, novelty accounts are stupid as hell

yeah they are

[Electrk.]

imagine spending $10 to continue posting on a lego game forum that you got banned from at least twice

yeah imagine that

[I am bob]

I do agree though, novelty accounts are stupid as hell

u lookin for a fight????

[PhantOS]

Having most of your work taken from you and treated as a commodity on the market without your prior consent is also theft.

Don't say people consent to being employed in such an environment either, because it's either that or starve, or attempt to found a co-op, which from what I've heard is very difficult to get any kind of funds for since nobody will loan to co-ops.

just put in place regulations like labor laws and condition inspections at the factory's expense to ensure that workers are being treated fair