[Real News] Obamacare Repeal Fails

[Deus Ex]

Wow, what a cowardly loving response. It's my problem, that's why I'm presenting my take on the matter. If you're going to crumble into your own mess of whining and bullstufftery every time somebody responds, don't even bother posting in the first place.

Yes, it's your problem - and that's where you should stop typing. It's cowardly because you don't like it? What, I need to WORK UP THE COURAGE TO COUGH UP $15K A YEAR FOR YOU? forget oooooooooooff

And it was completely and utterly disregarded being it's completely wrong. The state of healthcare is the way it is because of corporate intervention, not because m-muh Obamacare. ACA was a (Misguided, at best) step in the right direction and stuffheels like you whine because you have to pay taxes. Big whoop.

Bullstuff, already posted articles explaining this I'm not even gonna bother going over it again because you can't get your head out of your diabetic ass and see why people want this bullstuff repealed

You already ignored any points I brought up because, and this is my theory, you're emotionally incapable of coming to terms with the fact you were wrong about something. You should look into the whole ordeal sometime, considering how strongly you feel about this.

loving IRONYYYYYYYYYYY


If you weren't too stupid to read my whole post you would have caught the part where I cannot afford insulin without coverage. Stressing that part because you seem to keep missing it. I'm already paying bills, insurance on my car, groceries every week and the checkups for my family. I'm not some lazy do-nothing liberal that you wait night and forgetin day to destroy verbally in an argument, I'm an adult taxpayer whose been dealt a stuff hand and really doesn't need to lose healthcare just because I can't find a job that offers their own plan.

Deal with your stuff hand instead of asking people like me to pick up after life for you then. It is not my problem you got dealt a stuff hand and ended up with diabetes.

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[Acerblock]

Ouch, wow, I mean that was brutal, Deus Ex. I would hope that more people nowadays wouldn't be adverse to helping out others, but damn.

You know, with a universal system, even with you contributing to the government taxes for medicare and medicaid, you would be still net saving from copays and deductibles.

[ultimamax]

It seems like the whole concept of a state is predicated on the idea that humans can be capable of achieving incredible feats by all bearing a certain amount of responsibility individually. By paying taxes you are providing for the public good, and sometimes the public good doesn't affect you. (e.g. your taxes going to schools even though you're not in the public school system)

Deal with your stuff hand instead of asking people like me to pick up after life for you then. It is not my problem you got dealt a stuff hand and ended up with diabetes.

I think the libertarian position of "forget you, got mine" cannot be said to be moral in anything but a pure meritocracy.

I'd like to reiterate that the US is one of the only developed countries without some form of single payer / universal health care and we have the highest healthcare expenditure per capita in the world. In a purely public healthcare system you'd likely be saving money by paying into it compared to how healthcare works currently, unless you're in a very high income bracket.

[IkeTheGeneric]

Deal with your stuff hand instead of asking people like me to pick up after life for you then. It is not my problem you got dealt a stuff hand and ended up with diabetes.

Do you even earn a paycheck? I find it hard to believe that you're collecting money and believe that any small sum of your income is going towards my insurance.

[Acerblock]

It seems like the whole concept of a state is predicated on the idea that humans can be capable of achieving incredible feats by all bearing a certain amount of responsibility individually. By paying taxes you are providing for the public good, and sometimes the public good doesn't affect you. (e.g. your taxes going to schools even though you're not in the public school system)
I think the libertarian position of "forget you, got mine" cannot be said to be moral in anything but a pure meritocracy.

I'd like to reiterate that the US is one of the only developed countries without some form of single payer / universal health care and we have the highest healthcare expenditure per capita in the world. In a purely public healthcare system you'd likely be saving money by paying into it compared to how healthcare works currently, unless you're in a very high income bracket.

By the way dude, I have a random question. I once saw you say that you were a liberal or left-leaning in a thread, I forget which, but everything you've said is kinda... left-leaning. Where do you stand politically?

[Karl Marx]

I think the libertarian position of "forget you, got mine" cannot be said to be moral in anything but a pure meritocracy.

starfishs like Deus Ex don't care about morality. As long as they have what they need, they could give a damn about contributing towards the society that sustains them.

[IkeTheGeneric]

starfishs like Deus Ex don't care about morality. As long as they have what they need, they could give a damn about cintributing towards the society that sustains them.

He's literally a politically-charged internet tough guy at this point, considering how much he's reminding everyone how little he cares for the people who would lose coverage under the AHCA. I wonder if this is all an act like master matthew's clownery a few weeks ago.

[ultimamax]

By the way dude, I have a random question. I once saw you say that you were a liberal or left-leaning in a thread, I forget which, but everything you've said is kinda... left-leaning. Where do you stand politically?

I'm probably a communist but I haven't really read enough literature to justify that position. I guess that makes me a socdem.

starfishs like Deus Ex don't care about morality. As long as they have what they need, they could give a damn about cintributing towards the society that sustains them.

In theory I'm completely fine with some sort of ancapistan libertarian dreamscape existing, unless people born into that country could find themselves unable to escape it to somewhere with an actual government. I understand the want for complete autonomy or whatever but IMO if you're for public services/roads/etc then it's questionable that you wouldn't want healthcare to be a part of that as well.

[Acerblock]

I'm probably a communist but I haven't really read enough literature to justify that position. I guess that makes me a socdem.
In theory I'm completely fine with some sort of ancapistan libertarian dreamscape existing, unless people born into that country could find themselves unable to escape it to somewhere with an actual government lol

Yeah I'm a social democrat too.

[IkeTheGeneric]

also again

... instead of asking people like me to pick up after life for you then.

You don't pay for my insurance. Even if you lived in my state, you probably wouldn't still be paying taxes that goes towards my insurance. That's not really how any of this works and since this is the core clause of your awful argument, it kinda just shuts the whole thing down.

[Acerblock]

To add on that, universal health care doesn't even have to have a private option. Single payer, all you're doing is contributing to the pool of medicaid.

[Deus Ex]

I think the libertarian position of "forget you, got mine" cannot be said to be moral in anything but a pure meritocracy.

I'm not arguing from any sense of morality. Funny thing is, I've also stated in the forums I'd be willing to be taxed to a DEGREE if the current tax code was reformed to ease the load on the middle class, but when I talk to some of you here I get so annoyed I just want to say forget it and hope I don't have to pay stuff for anyone but myself and anyone who is dependent on me. As it stands, middle class people like me don't need an extra helping of taxes sliced off our paychecks. I'd even take some opt-in option where I can contribute if I WANT TO, but I should not be forced to.

starfishs like Deus Ex don't care about morality. As long as they have what they need, they could give a damn about contributing towards the society that sustains them.

You really aren't playing a character, are you? Literally everything you say has pure commie stench wafting from it

He's literally a politically-charged internet tough guy at this point, considering how much he's reminding everyone how little he cares for the people who would lose coverage under the AHCA. I wonder if this is all an act like master matthew's clownery a few weeks ago.

HNN YEAH I'M A REAL MEAN TOUGH BOI I DONT GIVE A forget BOUT NO CHILDREN'S CANCER WARD forget ALL THAT stuff HNN BOI

[IkeTheGeneric]

HNN YEAH I'M A REAL MEAN TOUGH BOI I DONT GIVE A forget BOUT NO CHILDREN'S CANCER WARD forget ALL THAT stuff HNN BOI

Weak response, really redefines "Low energy"

[ultimamax]

I'm not arguing from any sense of morality. Funny thing is, I've also stated in the forums I'd be willing to be taxed to a DEGREE if the current tax code was reformed to ease the load on the middle class, but when I talk to some of you here I get so annoyed I just want to say forget it and hope I don't have to pay stuff for anyone but myself and anyone who is dependent on me. As it stands, middle class people like me don't need an extra helping of taxes sliced off our paychecks.

If your ideology isn't at all based on morality, then it's trash.

[Acerblock]

HNN YEAH I'M A REAL MEAN TOUGH BOI I DONT GIVE A forget BOUT NO CHILDREN'S CANCER WARD forget ALL THAT stuff HNN BOI

Someone in the middle of bumforget Tennessee shouldn't have to subsidize healthcare for Little Timmy who has a heart condition.

errrr

If your ideology isn't at all based on morality, then it's trash.