Author Topic: rant on the term "people of color"  (Read 6034 times)

Just Another Triggered SJW, Le Sigh.

1. how many ppl who use the term poc do you think know cruz is anything other than canadian, wealthy, and republican
i think it's pretty common knowledge that cruz is cuban american. PoC isn't obscure terminology either so i wouldn't say that a terribly small minority of people use it. i'd put the odds pretty high that people who use 'PoC' know about cruz's background. it'd make sense that the ones on the bleeding edge of racial language would be pretty in tune with the racial backgrounds of prominent political figures too, right? if anything i'd imagine it has to do with privilege and apparent race, if you look white (since race is most strongly determined by physical attributes, not just genetic background) and don't experience the same inequalities as PoC then it makes sense that people wouldn't describe you with that label

2. i agree that race is still relevant, if only as a result of historical racism. the way i see it, we've created a deep, culturally ingrained class issue out of a historical racial issue- if a broke black detroitian gets the education he needs, he could absolutely rise above and become the last working-class generation of his family (save money-> get kids college fund-> son becomes engineer, daughter becomes medical doctor, etc)

edit: i'm not trying to say poor people should just work harder, i'm saying they need help to know how to properly work, if that makes sense, because how are you supposed to make a grappling hook if nobody teaches you how to make rope?
i get what you're sayin and i agree

today a girl in my social studies class called sandra cisneros a person of color, and afterwards the teacher started using the term too

let me tell you why "person of color" pisses me off- and this isn't even mentioning the fact that i thought we were past the era of whites vs non-whites and calling black ppl colored ("i'm not saying down syndrome people are handicapped people, i'm saying they're people of handicapation!")
"person of color" is a term coined by non-white people, and generally accepted by non-white people, which is what differentiates it from calling someone "colored".

sandra cisneros is hispanic.

the primary cultural ancestor of the hispanics are the spaniards.

the spaniards were not buddy-buddy with native americans, asians, or the africans that they imported as slaves to the new world.

lumping the hispanic ethnicity in with everything else that isn't euro-american completely disregards history. ironically, it disregards an entire chapter of white colonialism and imperialism, despite the people who use the term PoC usually being critical of whites oppressing non-whites.
I think this is a bit reductive. The impression I get is that Latino/Hispanic ethnicity comes from Europeans and indigenous people having kids. So Latino/Hispanic people were "buddy-buddy" with Native Americans, because they were (and are) partly Native American themselves.

"Hispanic" is sort of a misnomer that implies that Hispanic people exclusively descend from Spaniards, which I think is untrue.

it turns an honest conversation into "us vs them".

my father is a cuban immigrant. i am considered a person of color. i hate the loving term so much. my cultural heritage is not intertwined with ethnic african-americans, japanese-americans, chinese-americans, etc.
"Person of color" isn't a word that's meant to describe the cultural heritage of anyone. It's used to talk about racial power dynamics. (people of color in contrast to white people who held and hold more power generally in most social hierarchies) The term is completely innocuous unless you don't believe in these racial power dynamics, in which case your issue should be with the philosophy behind the word and not the word itself.

and what about the other historically distrusted minorities? are jews people of color? are slavic immigrants? where do you draw this handicapped line?
My understanding of white supremacy is that they consider Jews and people of color two different groups that conspire to genocide them in different ways? Or something like that?
People of color isn't meant to be a 100% catch-all of "historically distrusted minorities".

it just pisses me off and saddens me that we've literally regressed to using an ignorant and tribal term for the sake of political correctness. and i'm not a whiney whitey. remember, i count as a PoC
I don't think it's ignorant or tribal, nor do I think it functions for "political correctness". Its main use is for brown townysis of racial power dynamics, no one is obligated to say it instead of "non-white" or something more specific like "Cuban".

I found an interesting NPR article about the term. Here's a quote from the end:
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"People of color explicitly suggests a social relationship among racial and ethnic minority groups. ... [It is] is a term most often used outside of traditional academic circles, often infused by activist frameworks, but it is slowly replacing terms such as racial and ethnic minorities. ... In the United States in particular, there is a trajectory to the term — from more derogatory terms such as Broes, to colored, to people of color. ... People of color is, however it is viewed, a political term, but it is also a term that allows for a more complex set of identity for the individual — a relational one that is in constant flux."

The words majority and minority correlate with white and not white in most of the Western world, though, so I don't see why we need "POC" to replace that. Majority and minority aren't tribal and are even more flexible since you can use them in countries where white people are the minority or are being persecuted or something.
Those words aren't fitting though. There are countries like South Africa where white people are statistically a minority but still hold lots of the structural power.

2. i agree that race is still relevant, if only as a result of historical racism. the way i see it, we've created a deep, culturally ingrained class issue out of a historical racial issue- if a broke black detroitian gets the education he needs, he could absolutely rise above and become the last working-class generation of his family (save money-> get kids college fund-> son becomes engineer, daughter becomes medical doctor, etc)
I don't think structural racism is over and I don't think a black man making $70k has access to the same opportunities as a white man making $70k, yfm?
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"person of color" is a term coined by non-white people, and generally accepted by non-white people, which is what differentiates it from calling someone "colored".

all of the black ppl i know irl have either referred to themselves as black or african-american, all of the hispanic people i know refer to themselves as latino, hispanic or white, and my asian friend (i live in rural virginia, there's next to no asian americans out here) is actually a pol-tier stuffposter

I think this is a bit reductive. The impression I get is that Latino/Hispanic ethnicity comes from Europeans and indigenous people having kids. So Latino/Hispanic people were "buddy-buddy" with Native Americans, because they were (and are) partly Native American themselves.

no. hispanic/latino is to iberia as american is to great britain- interbreeding is a natural result of living in close proximity with the alleged savages. my mom's a half-jew half-german white girl from chicago. didn't make those two ethnicities very buddy buddy in her time. i myself am, again, half-cuban, and yet there is still tension between hispanics and non-iberian whites. there's also an absolutely massive amount of mixed black-white people, and yet those races are the most iconic clash we've dealt with in the US

"Hispanic" is sort of a misnomer that implies that Hispanic people exclusively descend from Spaniards, which I think is untrue.

by both blood and culture, it's mostly spanish and portuguese heritage with varying levels of native american thrown in, but see response no.2

"Person of color" isn't a word that's meant to describe the cultural heritage of anyone. It's used to talk about racial power dynamics. (people of color in contrast to white people who held and hold more power generally in most social hierarchies)

the large majority of white-dominated societies are white-dominated by population under a democratic system- it isn't sparta with spartiates and helots lol. in this case calling the minority "the minority" is more than acceptable- it's perfectly accurate, actually, and there's no arbitrary race coalition formed by saying minority

The term is completely innocuous unless you don't believe in these racial power dynamics, in which case your issue should be with the philosophy behind the word and not the word itself.

i mean Bro just means black in spanish, the language of fellow people of color- hispanics- so why not reclaim it? oh wait: negative connotations. the absolute literal meaning of words is not the only thing to evaluate if we aren't coding or lawyering

My understanding of white supremacy is that they consider Jews and people of color two different groups that conspire to genocide them in different ways? Or something like that?

what the forget even

People of color isn't meant to be a 100% catch-all of "historically distrusted minorities".
I don't think it's ignorant or tribal, nor do I think it functions for "political correctness". Its main use is for brown townysis of racial power dynamics, no one is obligated to say it instead of "non-white" or something more specific like "Cuban".

so why do people use it for referring to minorities outside of the context of racial power dynamics? back to the OP i wrote- sandra cisneros is a mexamerican author, and we were on the subject of misogyny in class, not race

I found an interesting NPR article about the term. Here's a quote from the end:

so NPR is politely saying it's originated from SJWs? that's kinda what i inferred when i made this thread in the first place

Those words aren't fitting though. There are countries like South Africa where white people are statistically a minority but still hold lots of the structural power.

and african-american only works in the context of america. not every term is universally applicable

I don't think structural racism is over and I don't think a black man making $70k has access to the same opportunities as a white man making $70k, yfm?

1. obama 2. i wholeheartedly don't feel you. literally the only significant source of issues from racism these days are from cops, but even then, how does this effect what the guy does with his salary? you think the cops'll bust down his door and shoot him if he joins antifa? if he goes to college(a notoriously accepting place for minorities nowadays)? you think swat'll raid him if he invests in google or buys himself a better house? i mean they might- swatting is a big issue- but the cops tricked into raiding him won't even know his race until after they realize some friend faked that bomb threat which made em bust in in the first place. the only thing i'll admit to is that they get mistreated when pulled over by cops, and again, that is a serious violation of civil liberties, but it's not this huge oppressive scheme to control black people or something. all it'll do is make em end up voting for politicians who say they'll end racism in police and all that.

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accidentally locked the topic for a second, damn phone

the only colored things that matter to me


I just call black people black people. But if people want to use the term "PoC" I guess that's ok

the spaniards are handicapped anyway

the only colored things that matter to me



Colored pencils or gtfo

the only colored things that matter to me


pshhhhhh i bet you got no bitches in elementary


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words of wisdom

I just call black people black people. But if people want to use the term "PoC" I guess that's ok

for once i agree with you. i've never deliberately gone against someone's wishes when it comes to this sorta stuff, regardless of my personal views on the issue. if someone seriously asks me to call them attack helo, then i guess i'd have a classmate known as attack helo

if it didnt come off right from the op- when someone asks me to use the term then i will. this thread is me ranting about my personal opinion, not about how my opinion is fact and that i have to enforce the "correct" terms in person or some stuff like that

the spaniards are handicapped anyway

forget you honky

forget you honky

i'm german and irish i'm gonna beer you to death

i'm german and irish i'm gonna beer you to death

national socialist


the irish were an axis power, so legally I can punch the irish