why do people hate b4v21?

[Figure]

yeah well so does your mom

i hope microedge sucks your chilidog

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[kelau]

167 players also indicates everyone online, even the afk and bots on the main screen of blockland; it's an inflated number when compared to the actual active player count.
sure there are more servers, but only like 4-8 of them actually have players on them.

ok?? you can literally say the same thing for b4v21, not every one of those 26 is active and playing

less players playing the main game  ==> less players to join your server you just started as they're all on the top server or another game version. simple loving logic; people start from area 1, people move to area 2, less people in area 1.

but nobody is moving from area 1 to area 2

people are switching to v20 because it appears more active during peak times and weekends.

what?? please name like 3 people who've stopped playing v21 for v20, anybody on v20 still plays v21 or just didn't play v21 in the first place

you can't play both v21 and v20 at the same time, you have to chose one to prioritize your playtime on. people do stick to a version of the game they like and will play it more

yes you can lol what's saying you can't, i don't think they're that intense of games that every second of your focus has to be on them, there's no need for "prioritizing playtime"

this problem is just beginning, we don't know if it's going to have major effects on v21 right now, i'm making my best guess based on what i've seen happening.

alright so you're basing your claims off of things you see, without any actual evidence to back it up on

breaking news: v20 is not killing v21

i hope microedge sucks your chilidog

dang...

[ultimamax]

badspot removed maps with the promise that it would enable a lot more development to happen. there was some stuff but it seemed like he mainly did it to add shaders and make the game look less stuffty for the steam release. the amount of new features added after v20 hasn't really outweighed the existence of maps for me.

some of my favorite servers (like Jorgur's) and experiences (just loving around on bedroom for hours with friends) were enabled by maps existing. certain aspects of the game are basically obsolete now. (like skiing is basically trash now because its hard to create surfaces that are conducive to it with bricks) I'm okay with all that though as long as I can go back and play v20 once in a while.

Btw the argument that "maps are for lazy people" is trash. Not everybody is always up to build a giant expansive map for them to richard around on.

[IkeTheGeneric]

I've never had any issues building maps out of terrain bricks, you people are completely full of stuff

[PhantOS]

Honestly i've been against v20 since as long as i remember (i used to make maps back in v16 and i didnt really like it). I feel that v21 is more streamlined and resembles more of a finished product than v20, which looked more like a weird tribes throwaway or tribes mod. I have no issue with people playing older versions of blockland, its their choice and it doesn't bother me one bit. But personally, i wouldn't touch the game even if my life depended on it

From a modmaker/development standpoint, v21 is the most stable and introduces the most bugfixes and various helpful functions that makes life easier. For people who don't care about terrian, v21 is perfect

[Refticus]

ok?? you can literally say the same thing for b4v21, not every one of those 26 is active and playing

it's on a loving server, there's going to be MUCH less afk players when compared to the MAIN SERVER SELECT SCREEN WHERE EVERYONE GOES.

but nobody is moving from area 1 to area 2

yes they loving are, people who weren't around during v20 are now playing it, people with ids higher than 200k are playing it without their name matching a alt.

what?? please name like 3 people who've stopped playing v21 for v20, anybody on v20 still plays v21 or just didn't play v21 in the first place

i've seen kenko barely touch v21 since b4v21 became so popular, he only plays on v21 if all of his friends are there now.
i'm not in any massive social cliques, you do this research yourself.

yes you can lol what's saying you can't, i don't think they're that intense of games that every second of your focus has to be on them, there's no need for "prioritizing playtime"

what i was saying is, you can't ACTIVELY play both games, you can't build a castle in v20 while also playing a deathmatch in v21 without having massive afk breaks

alright so you're basing your claims off of things you see, without any actual evidence to back it up on

so are you. you're pulling stuff out of your ass right now just to spite me.
all you need to do is look at your friends who play blockland and see how many prefer to play on the v20 server over the v21 based on their playtime.

breaking news: v20 is not killing v21

YOU'RE MISSING MY ENTIRE loving POINT.
it's not a problem NOW, but it may BECOME ONE if this trend continues.
the problem currently is small, but it's growing larger each time the v20 server has a spike in players, if people think the v20 server is more populated, they'll hop onto it during peak time rather than play on the v21 server, resulting in the v21 losing a player during that time.

I've never had any issues building maps out of terrain bricks, you people are completely full of stuff

i also want to add that i think the blockland maps rarely fit in with the blockland aesthetic; they're typically realistic looking with really outdated textures on them. the only upside to them is that they dont run like ass with vehicles when compared to the sometimes volatile vehicle physics of modter

[kelau]

it's on a loving server, there's going to be MUCH less afk players when compared to the MAIN SERVER SELECT SCREEN WHERE EVERYONE GOES.

pretty sure the "players playing blockland" only counts for people in servers

yes they loving are, people who weren't around during v20 are now playing it, people with ids higher than 200k are playing it without their name matching a alt.

would love to see the evidence to back up this claim

i've seen kenko barely touch v21 since b4v21 became so popular, he only plays on v21 if all of his friends are there now.
i'm not in any massive social cliques, you do this research yourself.

you made the claim, you find the evidence to back it up
you're spewing baseless non-sense

what i was saying is, you can't ACTIVELY play both games, you can't build a castle in v20 while also playing a deathmatch in v21 without having massive afk breaks

you don't have to stay to one game, it's pretty easy to play x game for 2 hours and y game for another 2

so are you. you're pulling stuff out of your ass right now just to spite me.

http://steamcharts.com/app/250340
it's cute that you think that because your argument is handicapped and people are against it you assume they have a grudge on you

all you need to do is look at your friends who play blockland and see how many prefer to play on the v20 server over the v21 based on their playtime.

more of the same "you find the proof" from the person trying to prove the point

YOU'RE MISSING MY ENTIRE loving POINT.
it's not a problem NOW, but it may BECOME ONE if this trend continues.
the problem currently is small, but it's growing larger each time the v20 server has a spike in players, if people think the v20 server is more populated, they'll hop onto it during peak time rather than play on the v21 server, resulting in the v21 losing a player during that time.

your point is completely invalid because nothing suggests that this is a problem and that it will ever be a problem
take a look at WoW Legacy, is WoW dead now because of it?

[Drydess]

i don't have an issue with kenko or b4v21 but i hate maps because it makes people less wanting to build creative and unique stuff

[Zeblote]

167 players also indicates everyone online, even the afk and bots on the main screen of blockland;

No, that number is calculated by your client by summing up all the players on all servers. How many people are playing singleplayer or have the main menu open is unknown.

[K3k0m@n]

why tho

i'm honestly dissapointed that this topic had to happen as it's just going to cause more controversy over something that honestly isn't an issue
first off, let me quote this again as I haven't typed it out for nothing:

to be honest I might as well say this now before stuff gets worse: there's really nothing to worry about. absolutely none of us are treating v20 as being any superior to v21.
if you were to think of it, we're actually probably bringing more attention to the game, if anything: I'm very sure that if we weren't sharing v20 right now, those who are playing v20 atm wouldn't even be doing anything related to blockland. you're saying that they'd be playing v21 instead, and that we're taking them away from v21, but to be honest there's like 20% of people who would apply in that group. the rest (including myself) wouldn't even be playing blockland at all if it wasn't for v20.

so I'd appreciate if we just stopped making a fuss about this, as really we're actually bringing more attention to blockland as a whole by doing this. we're even benefiting steam users by letting them experience a part of the game that they had never experienced before. there's honestly little negative impact on blockland and there's even (admittedly) barely any activity on the v20 master server anyway (compared to the v21 MS), so I'd honestly appreciate if you were to stop worrying.

the v20 server is gaining more and more attention and players since the steam client was released for it (to even get the steam client you need to join their discord clique, so that's forgetin amazing).
v20 had more players on one server than the highest server on v21, did not get the total playercount of the v20 master server, but we can add about 4-6 based on the trends.
while yes, the v21 master server has more total players, you have to consider that v20 is removing potential players for the v21 server.

say if i wanted to host on v21, but a chunk of the playerbase were only seeing the v20 server, the amount of people i'd get on my server would be loving tiny because there's a much smaller pool of players who will see my server listed compared to before this.
aka. forget you if you're not a part of some clique who can advertise their server to everyone cross versions, everyone else is just jacking off in v20 without you knowing.
you either join v20 to host your server or play on a game which is rapidly losing it's active players to another version of itself.

but lets play a mind game here, no answers expected for this one;
lets say you're a new player in the middle of all this drama, you don't read the forums, you're not an alt, you just got a copy of blockland on steam. now you notice that the playercount is incredibly low, you do not know that everyone else is on some other server because it's not listed on the game.
you also won't know if there's an alternate client which allows you to alternate between versions as you just got this game.
so, seeing that there's like a tiny fraction of people, you quit blockland and demand a steam refund for a "dead game".

the blockland community is loving tiny, and we're splitting it in a ever increasing margin by introducing alternate masterservers for the game.
this isn't as much as a problem as it is now, but it's going to get worse and worse as the v20 server gains more attention and people playing on it.

let me first off say: this is coming from somebody who i Know hasn't even touched v20 in so many years, let alone even seeing who comes onto b4v21 and at what times. I'm not saying playing it will make you love v20, I'm saying that you will realise just how buggy and unpredictable it can be. we haven't fixed all the bugs - playing it for a while will definitely annoy you due to all of the small changes, restrictions and bugs.
let me present two (stufftily made) graphs that demonstrate what you perceive is happening verses what's actually happening:

now before you scream at me about the real chart having a sudden increase of players: this is true! if anything, we're loving giving more attention to blockland and giving it more players overall, yet you still moan about us 'destroying' it. how do i know this? multiple people have told me that they would be doing something completely irrelevant to blockland, if it wasn't for B4v21. there's even been a couple people join my v20 server wondering what the new duplicator is! B4v21 has been amazing at bringing back users who are just bored of v21, and want to try something different and perhaps even familiar on v20, along with allowing newer users to experience something that they wouldn't ever be able to experience otherwise.

(to even get the steam client you need to join their discord clique, so that's forgetin amazing)

pretty cute that you're calling it a 'clique' instead of a loving community. we are actually in the process of making a website for B4v21, where you can download everything we offer on the discord server without even touching discord. we know this, and building a website takes time (especially when the person doing it is doing other stuff! b4v21 is in no way a top-priority project)

the blockland community is loving tiny, and we're splitting it in a ever increasing margin by introducing alternate masterservers for the game.

there's no loving splitting going on here. sure, you might loose a couple people at specific points of the day but honestly nobody whatsoever is leaving v21 specifically because of this project, and thanks to this project we're even grabbing more players into the game.

say if i wanted to host on v21, but a chunk of the playerbase were only seeing the v20 server, the amount of people i'd get on my server would be loving tiny because there's a much smaller pool of players who will see my server listed compared to before this.

I mean, you kinda contradicted yourself here. 'the amount of people i'd get on my server would be loving tiny' and 'theres a much smaller pool of players' doesn't really add up. we're not affecting the forgetin v21 master server as goddamn much as you believe it to be when so many people prefer the v21 version for actually playing because it has so many less bugs and so many more fixes.

i've seen kenko barely touch v21 since b4v21 became so popular, he only plays on v21 if all of his friends are there now.

??? have you been paying attention to how often i play v21? not very often. I was not playing it often before b4v21 happened, and i'm still not playing it often.

yes they loving are, people who weren't around during v20 are now playing it, people with ids higher than 200k are playing it without their name matching a alt.

are any of them switching over to v20 completely? no. they sure are playing it for, like, a day or two. maybe a week max. but they always return to v21.

i also want to add that i think the blockland maps rarely fit in with the blockland aesthetic; they're typically realistic looking with really outdated textures on them.

when the forget has anyone ever said v20's graphics are in any way better then v21s??? the reason for b4v21 isn't to return to the old graphics, it's to return to the old gameplay. graphics isn't a consideration here.

I've never had any issues building maps out of terrain bricks, you people are completely full of stuff

there's literally been one or two servers on the B4v21 master server over it's entire lifetime that has consisted of somebody using a terrain map to make, for example, a tdm. plus, just because you're fine with building with terrain doesn't mean other people are. the loving time it takes to use mission editor's terrain brushes to quickly shape and paint terrain verses manually building every brick is very different. plus, vehicle physics on said terrain is superior.

i hate maps because it makes people less wanting to build creative and unique stuff

i agree!!! i can assure you almost everyone else in b4v21 also agrees! i'm extremely happy that v21 even exists, as it's made me actually learn to properly build and be creative! why are people acting as if we don't believe this??

this shouldn't be an issue. the amount of people who don't really care about b4v21's 'impact' on blockland appears to be vastly more then those who despise it. honestly it would probably be best if you just gave up trying to Take Down B4v21! because i'm not going to shut down the whole project just because a couple people disagree with it.

[Køtt]

Reft, you're being ridiculous. Why are you acting like people that play an older version than you is consequential? If you claim new accounts are coming just to play the older version they have to support the artist somewhat by laying and playing regardless of the version. How is any of that consequential?

[Masterlegodude]

i don't have an issue with kenko or b4v21 but i hate maps because it makes people less wanting to build creative and unique stuff

Wasn't a big chunk of the servers on Slate though? And even then, there were servers where there was nothing creative or unique built, just some baseplates and vehicles scattered about or some default save loaded up, which is still the case to this very day

I don't think maps really affected whether or not people built stuff, it's just that maps filled in for when there would otherwise be nothing built

Also, i recall someone using my GM_Construct map for a nicely built fort wars DM that used the map to it's advantage

So it's definitely not the fault of maps, but of the people themselves just being uncreative

[IkeTheGeneric]

there's literally been one or two servers on the B4v21 master server over it's entire lifetime that has consisted of somebody using a terrain map to make

This is straight up a lie. Nearly every server I've played on has implemented terrain bricks or cubescape terrain in some fashion.

just because you're fine with building with terrain doesn't mean other people are.

Consensus is that terrain bricks are easy to work with, this just sounds like a *you* problem. Also, the hell are you going on about, using your own personal anecdotes just fine but the minute I interject with my opinion it's not good enough? forget off with that bullstuff, I'm sick of hearing about how necessary terrain was to the enjoyment with the game when I've been building terrain maps just fine for years now.

[Drydess]

Wasn't a big chunk of the servers on Slate though? And even then, there were servers where there was nothing creative or unique built, just some baseplates and vehicles scattered about or some default save loaded up, which is still the case to this very day

I don't think maps really affected whether or not people built stuff, it's just that maps filled in for when there would otherwise be nothing built

Also, i recall someone using my GM_Construct map for a nicely built fort wars DM that used the map to it's advantage

So it's definitely not the fault of maps, but of the people themselves just being uncreative

thats another whole point. most of the servers you ever found that were worth staying on were just on slate
it's like joining ten servers and constantly seeing other people's builds with a few small additions to it

[K3k0m@n]

This is straight up a lie. Nearly every server I've played on has implemented terrain bricks or cubescape terrain in some fashion.

??? what v20 servers have you been playing on? absolutely none of them has used terrain bricks to make an entirely-terrain landscape?? what?? did you type this wrong?

Consensus is that terrain bricks are easy to work with, this just sounds like a *you* problem.

i bet you can ask a lot of people and they'd say they would prefer using v20 terrain over manually making brick terrain in v21. it may not be the majority but the chunk of users is still there, and we're providing for them.

Also, the hell are you going on about, using your own personal anecdotes just fine but the minute I interject with my opinion it's not good enough?

when the forget did i say that?? i was simply letting you know that there is, infact, a chunk of players who would prefer v20 terrain over v21 brick-built terrain. I never said you are wrong.