Police Shoot and Kill an Unarmed Daniel Shaver

[Hansome duded]

i sure love it when a teenager on the internet tells people how to do their jobs

no dude you're wrong. the advice should come from outland for sure

yeah cause when i think a handicap like outland criticizing police is dumb that obviously means i think the police are beyond being stuffty right

unrelated to the topic, why are you such an instigator, man? calling someone out and then sarcastically belittling them makes you look like you're playing devils advocate

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[Ragequit]

Mind sharing the timestamp? The imagine is too blurry and I honestly can't tell what he's doing.

And one thing I want to know is, do you really think if he was shot he would be able to pull a gun really fast out of wherever to shoot the police officer?

it's at about 4:25 in the video.
yes, it's very possible. adrenaline is crazy stuff
some examples: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Benavidez

On May 2, 1968, a 12-man Special Forces patrol, which included nine Montagnard tribesmen, was surrounded by an NVA infantry battalion of about 1,000 men. Benavidez heard the radio appeal for help and boarded a helicopter to respond. Armed only with a knife, he jumped from the helicopter carrying his medical bag and ran to help the trapped patrol. Benavidez "distinguished himself by a series of daring and extremely valorous actions... and because of his gallant choice to join voluntarily his comrades who were in critical straits, to expose himself constantly to withering enemy fire, and his refusal to be stopped despite numerous severe wounds, saved the lives of at least eight men."At one point in the battle an NVA soldier accosted him and stabbed him with a bayonet. Benavidez pulled it out, yanked out his own knife, killed the NVA soldier and kept going, leaving his knife in the dead soldier's body. After the battle, he was evacuated to the base camp, examined, and thought to be dead. As he was placed in a body bag among the other dead in body bags, he was suddenly recognized by a friend who called for help. A doctor came and examined him but believed Benavidez was dead. The doctor was about to zip up the body bag when Benavidez spat in his face, alerting the doctor that he was alive.

The six-hour battle left Benavidez with seven major gunshot wounds, twenty-eight shrapnel holes, and both his arms were slashed by a bayonet. He had shrapnel in his head, scalp, shoulder, buttocks, feet, and legs, his right lung was destroyed, and he had injuries to his mouth and back of his head from being clubbed with a rifle butt. A bullet shot from an AK-47 entered his back and exited just beneath his heart.[4] Benavidez was evacuated to Fort Sam Houston's Brooke Army Medical Center in San Antonio, Texas, and he spent almost a year in hospitals recovering from his injuries

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11503612/Meet-the-Navy-SEAL-who-was-shot-27-times-and-lived-to-tell-the-story.html

In 2007, Mike Day was caught in a brutal firefight with three al-Qaeda insurgents after he was the first of his team to enter a room in a town near near Fallujah, Iraq.

The enemy fighters opened fire, hitting Day with 27 separate bullets. 11 of the shots were stopped by his body armour, but 16 penetrated his body and left him perilously wounded.

A grenade then exploded just 10 feet away from him, knocking him unconscious. According to Day, when he woke up roughly a minute later, he managed to kill two of the fighters with his pistol.

When the fighting finally stopped, he miraculously got up and walked himself to a medical helicopter.

just because one bullet can incapacitate someone doesn't mean one is guaranteed to

[King Tøny]

To be fair though, the guy did put his right hand behind his back.

in a split second decision it kinda looked like he was reaching for a gun.

[King Tøny]

I know two things about this
1 - I didn't see that so if you could point out when he does that it would be nice, thanks.
2 - I'm pretty sure that's not why they shot him, it was because he didn't do exactly what they said, and even if he was reaching for a gun 5-8 shots was unnecessary,

"I didn't see it so it didn't happen"

"They didn't shoot him for reaching his pants because it didn't happen because I didn't see it happen"


As soon as he puts his right hand to his side/back he gets shot within that second. 5-8 shots is necessary for this kind of situation.

I recall one case where a suspect was laying on the ground bleeding, responding officers stopped pointing their guns at him and went to assist him to prevent him from dying. The man then shot and killed up to 3 officers while he was laying on the ground bleeding and he did it because all the officers let their guard down.

Which is another thing people say "well why do police keep their guns pointed at bleeding men that are downed" well that one loving case is exactly why.

[Snaked_Snake]

When the forget did I say "I didn't see it so it didn't happen"? I was generally asking for him to show me when it happened in the video

And yes, they clearly did not do it because he reached for his trousers, because 99% of the time officers shout something like "Drop the gun" or they say that at some point.

If you want to defend this, that's fine, just remember it's murder and it is not acceptable.

Edit: The officers in that one case let their guard down, I'm not saying you should do that.

With that soldier the enemy soldiers didn't try to finish him off or anything, from what I know if you're cuffed you can't just stand up and pull a gun then shoot officers.

[King Tøny]

he reached for his trousers

That's the reason he died.


99% of the time officers say drop the gun when they see a gun.

Other than that 99% of the time officers say they want you to keep your hands where they can see them because the officers don't know if you have hidden weapons on you.

[Snaked_Snake]

That's the reason he died.

And it's ok because of that?

[Conan]

When the forget did I say "I didn't see it so it didn't happen"? I was generally asking for him to show me when it happened in the video

And yes, they clearly did not do it because he reached for his trousers, because 99% of the time officers shout something like "Drop the gun" or they say that at some point.

If you want to defend this, that's fine, just remember it's murder and it is not acceptable.

did you 1) watch the video or 2) get a transcript of what happened/read this topic? cause they said they would shoot him if he put his hand down to his pants again. its not like he wasnt very clearly and distinctly warned against it - nothing illegal happened in this confrontation and the officers shot in response to the potential threat to their lives.

that said, the whole thing could have been handled differently and more calmly, esp considering he wasnt given an opportunity to speak or explain the situation.

[Ragequit]

And yes, they clearly did not do it because he reached for his trousers, because 99% of the time officers shout something like "Drop the gun" or they say that at some point.

you can hear one say "don't" before shooting him. i'd argue they realized that, in the event that he did have a gun, they were past the point of "drop it" when he reaches.

[Snaked_Snake]

did you 1) watch the video or 2) get a transcript of what happened/read this topic? cause they said they would shoot him if he put his hand down to his pants again. its not like he wasnt very clearly and distinctly warned against it - nothing illegal happened in this confrontation and the officers shot in response to the potential threat to their lives.

that said, the whole thing could have been handled differently and more calmly, esp considering he wasnt given an opportunity to speak or explain the situation.

"nothing illegal happened"

Yeah I just rewatched the video and he put his hand down then like a second after they shot at him, that's totally legal and fine right? What a threat.

And I'm going to make this clear - Just because an officer threatens to kill you if you do simple things, doesn't mean they should kill you, or even threaten you like that in the first place.

[King Tøny]

And it's ok because of that?

So say for example he did have a gun in his pants.

The officers then don't shoot him because they are like "hey he's just pulling his pants up, he's chill"

Then the officer gets shot.


If cops are telling you to keep your hands where they can see them, don't loving make sudden movements to pull your pants up.

[Snaked_Snake]

So say for example he did have a gun in his pants.

The officers then don't shoot him because they are like "hey he's just pulling his pants up, he's chill"

Then the officer gets shot.

See it's not that simple, if he did have a gun it would probably be clear he did and the officers would be able to react in time, if not why the forget are they sent out for a situation like this?

And the man had no gun, but because he could've had a gun it was fine, right?

[King Tøny]

See it's not that simple, if he did have a gun it would probably be clear he did and the officers would be able to react in time, if not why the forget are they sent out for a situation like this?

And the man had no gun, but because he could've had a gun it was fine, right?

Are you not like understanding the concept of concealed weapons or something?

[Drydess]

actually it's not very clear from the distance that they were at whether he had a gun in his pants (which were evidently oversized since he kept pulling them up

theres a stuffload of negligence in this case but with the options that the cops decided to choose for a drunk and influenced anxious man there's not much that could be done at that point

[Red Spy]

I thought that's the average response to your posts

loving sick roast dude