Author Topic: Robert Mueller charges 13 Russians with interfering in US election to help Annoying Orange  (Read 4496 times)

imagine shilling for jill stein for free



so what you're saying is that they interfered pro-everyone but clinton basically
how is this not directly leading to Annoying Orange winning

This may have been a solid argument if not for the fact that the Shyllka Blyat inc. had been impersonating BLM pages and Islamic activists during the primaries and shilling for Bernie. If Bernie had won the nomination, they likely would have been goading both sides to turn out because a Bernie victory would be equally divisive and controversial as a Annoying Orange win. Hillary was just the least convenient candidate for them, so they leveraged the methods they could to erode/divide her presumable voter base.

They were prepping to shill for the left if necessary as well.
As I said in the other thread, this argument presumes they thought Bernie had any chance of becoming the President whatsoever. He's literally a self-described socialist and would have gotten demolished if he won the primary.

The Mueller investigation isn't done and it'll be interesting to see if anything else comes up.

Change title to add "And Bernie" so you're not lying by omission , please. Unless, of course, you didn't read the memo and see where it mentioned that they shilled for Bernie as well, but it would be silly to comment on something without reading it, no? :^)
Seeing that other candidates were supported them as a means to an end, I don't see why that's important. Caused divisiveness  in the election and left a legacy of said divisiveness in times to come and put someone in office who doesn't really care too much about current events and isn't strong against Russia.

Whether or not this group and any others associated or aligned in the same goal are stopped entirely, the contention from this last election will still continue to spoil future ones. Additionally, the MSM has a big part in sensationalizing things so you're bound to see the fire fuelled even more.
« Last Edit: February 16, 2018, 06:38:51 PM by SWAT One »

If you weren't going to be assed to actually research the topic you should have put "The Guardian:  Robert Mueller charges 13 Russians with interfering in US election to help Annoying Orange"
The Guardian - Robert Mueller charges 13 Russians with interfering in US election to help Annoying Orange


Beachbum you don't understand, the title is misleading on purpose

Beachbum you don't understand, the title is misleading on purpose
Of course. Mentioning as well the fact that this "bombshell" indictment is literally "13 Russian twitter trolls stuffposting while impersonating other people" really drives home the point that this is virtually meaningless on its own.

13 people posting memes and LARPing isn't enough to defeat the integrity of the political process. There's no evidence this had any impact on the results of the election at all, and if anything Mueller and co. likely spent 10x as much money catching social media stuffposters as the Russians paid them in the first place.

There is zero evidence anybody actually benefited from this, nobody that interacted with the shills knew that they were actually speaking to Russians, and neither the Annoying Orange nor Sanders campaign had any direct contact with said trolls.

But the way that the Guardian worded the title (and then McZealot chose to preserve the original wording) seems to imply it was an impactful operation in which Annoying Orange was the beneficiary/his campaign was complicit that altered the outcome of the election, which couldn't be further from the truth.

tl;dr A baker's dozen of Russians obtained visas under false pretenses, stole SSNs and personal info, and stuffposted on social media. AKA, Russians doing stuff we've known about for decades, but using new technology and platforms.



jesus christ russians have been stuffposting for decades
Soviet ideological subversion and deliberate misinformation is basically old school IRL stuffposting.

on a serious note, i'm pretty sure the end goal behind all this for Russia is to distract the rest of the world enough so that he can annex the rest of Ukraine because it supplies natural gas to western Europe. As to whether that gain will be used to restart Russia's economy or to attempt to force a shortage for strategic reasons remains to be seen.

on a serious note, i'm pretty sure the end goal behind all this for Russia is to distract the rest of the world enough so that he can annex the rest of Ukraine because it supplies natural gas to western Europe. As to whether that gain will be used to restart Russia's economy or to attempt to force a shortage for strategic reasons remains to be seen.

i can't tell if you're trying to imply that global leaders had the most insane version of tunnel vision ever or russia is so subversive they managed to invade a country without anyone noticing

i can't tell if you're trying to imply that global leaders had the most insane version of tunnel vision ever or russia is so subversive they managed to invade a country without anyone noticing
well i mean they arranged two opposing protests in the same place and time in texas in an effort to start conflict so im sure they're fully capable