Author Topic: [O stuff] Bernie Sanders gets hospitalized | Campaign events Cancled  (Read 8593 times)

deus ex in the second stage of grief right now lmao.

really tho you're handicapped lol.

idgi

this effectively translates to "i dont care if half a million people go bankrupt every year and people die because they have to ration insulin if i can get surgery faster by being rich"

imagine still defending the US healthcare system after there's mountains upon mountains of evidence that you guys pay 2x much for stufftier service. to the point where people who advocate for private healthcare have to go to cuba or canada for adequate service.

that's patently false and you know it

the US has excellent quality care and the only reason it costs so high is a combination of insurance forgetery lobbying congress and the ACA forcing state line monopolies which naturally drive up prices as there is no competition

of course the solution to this is to hand control over healthcare to the government, because it works (hardly) in Canada and the UK, so that means it must work in the US. Makes sense

can you list any instance of you getting involved with politics and actually making a substantial impact

idgi

that's patently false and you know it

the US has excellent quality care and the only reason it costs so high is a combination of insurance forgetery lobbying congress and the ACA forcing state line monopolies which naturally drive up prices as there is no competition

of course the solution to this is to hand control over healthcare to the government, because it works (hardly) in Canada and the UK, so that means it must work in the US. Makes sense
stop blaming the ACA, US healthcare was super stuffty beforehand and what I'm saying is not false at all

you guys are literally the only rich nation on earth that doesn't have cheap and affordable healthcare, you can keep peddling the same lines as the billionaires that keep jacking up the prices do but that wont change the fact that you guys pay out the ass for terrible service.

you have 0 experience with canadian healtcare or UK healthcare and i can say that what you are saying is blatantly false.

take for example this study on how the us spends out the ass for the exact same care
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/healthcare/reports/2019/04/08/468302/excess-administrative-costs-burden-u-s-health-care-system/
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Conclusion
Although estimates vary, a large body of evidence shows that the United States is spending about twice as much as needed on the administration of health care. Other nations enjoy world-class health care systems while spending a fraction of what the United States does on governance, billing, and insurance.

A structural overhaul of how health care is financed and priced that includes key features of other countries’ systems—whether one payer or many—would go a long way toward eliminating excess administrative costs. Simplifying the payment system should be an essential part of future health reform and would make the U.S. system work better for taxpayers and patients alike.

On top of administrative costs, you are basically shilling for big pharma my dude, because you guys actually don't have regulation or a government that actually bargains with companies to effectively reduce the price of pills, you pay absurd prices for drugs.

You guys literally have people trekking to Canada to get insulin at a lower price so they can survive.
https://globalnews.ca/news/5249662/americans-driving-canada-insulin-prices/
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Nystrom said that she bought a nearly identical product — one vial of insulin from Novo Nordisk — that cost US$320 in the U.S. and $30 in Canada.

If you tell me: "if we get rid of all this regulation, the prices of healthcare and drugs will drop" you are absurdly wrong, because healthcare companies historically don't have any incentive to treat people correctly or not to make people die, they are there to make money. Saying it will all magically fix itself with the invisible hand of the free market is as much of a "pie-in-the-sky" idea as anarchists that think everyone will just co-operate once all government is abolished.

Free markets don't account for externalities and the incentives definitely don't align to keep people alive because profits will always come first. Why don't you accept that single-payer systems have worked wonderfully in every country they have been tried, and stop clinging onto the archaic idea that the free market will fix everything?

for the record: there are many more things wrong with american healthcare but you cant just always dodge them by saying "just remove regulation bro"
« Last Edit: October 03, 2019, 07:16:13 PM by Aide33 »

idgi

that's patently false and you know it

the US has excellent quality care and the only reason it costs so high is a combination of insurance forgetery lobbying congress and the ACA forcing state line monopolies which naturally drive up prices as there is no competition

of course the solution to this is to hand control over healthcare to the government, because it works (hardly) in Canada and the UK, so that means it must work in the US. Makes sense
everything stated thus far by yourself is false. of course you have no evidence to back it up because you're all talk and no stuff. go ahead and insult me handicap that's all you're good at lol.

everything stated thus far by yourself is false. of course you have no evidence to back it up because you're all talk and no stuff. go ahead and insult me handicap that's all you're good at lol.
But ya didn’t clarify that it was false with evidence that claims it’s all false tho

im like 99% sure the aca did nothing to affect the actual cost of medical care cause i distinctly remember medical costs being complained about the same before and after it got implemented. the only difference was complaints about socialism/paying for other peoples care/not related to actual care costs.

bernie is a lot old and a bit crazy


that being said, respect your elders kids

here's how bernie can still win this

can you list any instance of you getting involved with politics and actually making a substantial impact

Can you? It's internet bouts friend, shut the forget up and stop acting like anything any of us say on this site is impactful to anyone in any way, loving annoying richardstain



stop blaming the ACA, US healthcare was super stuffty beforehand and what I'm saying is not false at all

wrong

you guys are literally the only rich nation on earth that doesn't have cheap and affordable healthcare, you can keep peddling the same lines as the billionaires that keep jacking up the prices do but that wont change the fact that you guys pay out the ass for terrible service.

wrong

you have 0 experience with canadian healtcare or UK healthcare and i can say that what you are saying is blatantly false.

wrong


take for example this study on how the us spends out the ass for the exact same care
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/healthcare/reports/2019/04/08/468302/excess-administrative-costs-burden-u-s-health-care-system/
On top of administrative costs, you are basically shilling for big pharma my dude, because you guys actually don't have regulation or a government that actually bargains with companies to effectively reduce the price of pills, you pay absurd prices for drugs.

PBBBBT

You guys literally have people trekking to Canada to get insulin at a lower price so they can survive.
https://globalnews.ca/news/5249662/americans-driving-canada-insulin-prices/
If you tell me: "if we get rid of all this regulation, the prices of healthcare and drugs will drop" you are absurdly wrong, because healthcare companies historically don't have any incentive to treat people correctly or not to make people die, they are there to make money. Saying it will all magically fix itself with the invisible hand of the free market is as much of a "pie-in-the-sky" idea as anarchists that think everyone will just co-operate once all government is abolished.

GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY

Free markets don't account for externalities and the incentives definitely don't align to keep people alive because profits will always come first. Why don't you accept that single-payer systems have worked wonderfully in every country they have been tried, and stop clinging onto the archaic idea that the free market will fix everything?

wrong

for the record: there are many more things wrong with american healthcare but you cant just always dodge them by saying "just remove regulation bro"

The problem is improper regulation you obv need certain regulations to ensure a proper free market wdf are you even arguing against now

Can you? It's internet bouts friend, shut the forget up and stop acting like anything any of us say on this site is impactful to anyone in any way, loving annoying richardstain
Unfortunately for you sir, you have not backed up any of these claims of him being wrong with evidence yet, therefore, he is right until you prove him wrong.

Can you? It's internet bouts friend, shut the forget up and stop acting like anything any of us say on this site is impactful to anyone in any way, loving annoying richardstain



do you have any proof for any of these claims or are you just gonna keep posting out of your ass?

i can't imagine being so stubborn that you feel the need to shill for paying exorbitant amounts of money for healthcare.

be glad you are not diabetic so you don't have to basically spend 90% of your paycheck every month on insulin
« Last Edit: October 04, 2019, 11:06:37 AM by Aide33 »

Can you? It's internet bouts friend, shut the forget up and stop acting like anything any of us say on this site is impactful to anyone in any way, loving annoying richardstain



i find it quite educational when anyone posts stuff with references and sources. id read and give your perspective thought as well if you’d actually back it up with something more than an insult, misapplied logic on an oversimplified representation, and/or “you’re wrong”

You greatly misunderstand my intent on this site if you think I'm here to convince anyone of anything

Can you? It's internet bouts friend, shut the forget up and stop acting like anything any of us say on this site is impactful to anyone in any way, loving annoying richardstain
exactly proved my point. I was referring to in real life, wether or not you actually have done anything substantial politically that would contribute to your community. you have so much energy to post so constantly and passionately. why not step outside and try to make your ideas into real change? why post here if nothing we say on this site is impactful to anyone in any way??
« Last Edit: October 04, 2019, 03:50:16 PM by Damp »

oh god deus ex trying to change stuff would be a nightmare