U.S.A. Politics Thread

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I have posted a possibility for the election outcome in 6 variations. Choose your preferred below.

A. https://i.imgur.com/F6TVPLY.png
8 (34.8%)
B. https://i.imgur.com/uuRmNcE.png
3 (13%)
C. https://i.imgur.com/JK2OSsA.png
1 (4.3%)
D. https://i.imgur.com/sl6MVas.png
2 (8.7%)
E. https://i.imgur.com/K1GHlD3.png
2 (8.7%)
F. https://i.imgur.com/br3Sp06.png
7 (30.4%)

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The military prevents people from joining even for fairly minor stuff like the need for glasses, or flat feet.
smh my head when the army doesnt appreciate good feet

Well yeah it's probably best that a population that is statistically not all that mentally stable doesn't go into a position that is mentally debilitating, even for people with a fine head on their shoulders before they joined. The military prevents people from joining even for fairly minor stuff like the need for glasses, or flat feet.
also considering, y'know, trans people have a major physical and chemical upkeep that would be expensive for the army to produce when cis people work just fine

Well yeah it's probably best that a population that is statistically not all that mentally stable doesn't go into a position that is mentally debilitating, even for people with a fine head on their shoulders before they joined. The military prevents people from joining even for fairly minor stuff like the need for glasses, or flat feet.
men represent two thirds of Self Deletes does that mean the military should only be women
also considering, y'know, trans people have a major physical and chemical upkeep that would be expensive for the army to produce when cis people work just fine
https://www.militarytimes.com/pay-benefits/military-benefits/health-care/2015/02/13/dod-spends-84m-a-year-on-viagra-similar-meds/

considering the military spends 84 million dollars on viagra a year maybe we should ban men from the military
« Last Edit: October 27, 2020, 02:42:46 PM by Aide33 »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAhTVMikqgU
She said it, outright and publicly.

But let me guess, the photoshopped her lips and use audacity to make her say it, right?

the military only discriminates on minor stuff if they don't need the personnel.

flat fleet can be waived or outright ignored. asthma waived for ignored. glasses aren't even an issue. even mental instability can be waived.

the amount of garbage you can lie about too is insane. if you ever willfully submitted yourself into psychiatric care, if your stay occurred for less than a week, it won't show up in your medical history.

who cares depends on who your recruiter is, and who is evaluating you at MEPS, and most of them don't give a stuff because higher numbers look good on their records.

men represent two thirds of Self Deletes does that mean the military should only be womenhttps://www.militarytimes.com/pay-benefits/military-benefits/health-care/2015/02/13/dod-spends-84m-a-year-on-viagra-similar-meds/
https://www.hrc.org/news/new-study-reveals-shocking-rates-of-attempted-Self Delete-among-trans-adolescen

The difference here is that 29.9 - over half of men do not attempt Self Delete. The things you're trying to compare here are not comparable.

However, Self Delete rates are higher amongst veterans. But again this has to do with the fact that the military is often mentally debilitating. Survivors guilt, PTSD, inability/struggle to transition back into society, you name it.

https://www.heritage.org/gender/commentary/love-reassignment-doesnt-work-here-the-evidence

Transitioning vs. transitioned aren't much different either, both are still highly unstable. And more than 10 percent of MTF transgenders (a majority of the transgender community) regret their gender reassignment surgery entirely.

These people aren't suited to serve, and making a system to try and thin out the herd and find the few who ARE suitable would just add more coins to the military spending pile. The only solution would be that some of the already existing budget is moved towards something like this, and good luck getting that through to the government lol. Stop pretending everyone is equal and capable when they're not.

Also regarding that Viagra article: "And according to DHA, military beneficiaries, including active-duty personnel, retirees and eligible family members, filled nearly 1.18 million prescriptions for ED medications through this system in 2014."

How many of those do you think are active-duty personnel? I don't think guys serving in the sandbox right now are worried about getting laid/getting some chub. Pretty sure if you're active duty regardless of branch you really aren't loveually active. Transgenders need to actively keep taking their hormones as far as I know, so how's that comparable to boner meds exactly? Don't forget the fact that hormones are more expensive than Viagra, and again good luck passing a bill that makes the military delegate some of their cash to funding hormones. This isn't even taking into fact the side affects of hormone replacement, and how it forgets with your mental and emotional state. You're forgetting A LOT of variables here dude.


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https://www.hrc.org/news/new-study-reveals-shocking-rates-of-attempted-Self Delete-among-trans-adolescen

The difference here is that 29.9 - over half of men do not attempt Self Delete. The things you're trying to compare here are not comparable.

However, Self Delete rates are higher amongst veterans. But again this has to do with the fact that the military is often mentally debilitating. Survivors guilt, PTSD, inability/struggle to transition back into society, you name it.

it doesn't matter, my point stands as: where do we draw the line in terms of "how good" someone's mental health is.

https://www.heritage.org/gender/commentary/love-reassignment-doesnt-work-here-the-evidence
Literally every single study in this link goes against current scientific evidence or the scientists responsible for the study says their research do not come to the same conclusions than the article

For example, one of the prime sources in the article this study: [1]

Here is the author of the study responding to the article: [2]

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Williams: Before I contacted you for this interview, were you aware of the way your work was being misrepresented?

Dhejne: Yes! It’s very frustrating! I’ve even seen professors use my work to support ridiculous claims. I’ve often had to respond myself by commenting on articles, speaking with journalists, and talking about this problem at conferences. The Huffington Post wrote an article about the way my research is misrepresented. At the same time, I know of instances where ethical researchers and clinicians have used this study to expand and improve access to trans health care and impact systems of anti-trans oppression.

Of course trans medical and psychological care is efficacious. A 2010 meta-brown townysis confirmed by studies thereafter show that medical gender confirming interventions reduces gender dysphoria.

...

The aim of trans medical interventions is to bring a trans person’s body more inline with their gender identity, resulting in the measurable diminishment of their gender dysphoria. However trans people as a group also experience significant social oppression in the form of bullying, abuse, rape and hate crimes. Medical transition alone won’t resolve the effects of crushing social oppression: social anxiety, depression and posttraumatic stress.

What we’ve found is that treatment models which ignore the effect of cultural oppression and outright hate aren’t enough. We need to understand that our treatment models must be responsive to not only gender dysphoria, but the effects of anti-trans hate as well. That’s what improved care means.

...

People who misuse the study always omit the fact that the study clearly states that it is not an evaluation of gender dysphoria treatment. If we look at the literature, we find.html) that several recent studies conclude that WPATH Standards of Care compliant treatment decrease gender dysphoria and improves mental health.

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No, the study does not show that medical transition results in Self Delete or suicidal ideation. The study explicitly states that such is not the case and those using this study to make that claim are using fallacious logic.

The claim that gender transition isnt an effective way to treat gender dysphoria is entirely untrue based on scientific consensus.

For example, an ENOURMOUS meta brown townysis from Cornell [3] looked at 55 different studies on the subject and came to the conclusion that:
  • Of 55 studies, 51 indicated transitioning has a positive effect on the mental health of transgender people and 4 indicated it had mixed or no results.
  • ZERO studies indicated gender transitioning has negative results

Another meta brown townysis by (Murad et al.) [4] looked at 28 studies on transition:
  • 80% of individuals reported significant improvement in dysphoria
  • 78% of individuals reported significant improvement in psychological symptoms
  • 72% of individuals reported significant improvement in loveual function
  • Positive results across the board, EVEN IN 15-YEAR FOLLOWUPS


This isn't even all the scientific literature that I have on hand for this but I hope you understand my point.


Transitioning vs. transitioned aren't much different either, both are still highly unstable. And more than 10 percent of MTF transgenders (a majority of the transgender community) regret their gender reassignment surgery entirely.

Someone literally didn't read the study they are quoting! It seems like you don't even have the same number as the source! [5]

Here's the actual numbers (overall):


8% overall have detransitioned!! alarming right? wait... but why did they?


WAIT, looks like a large portion of those people who detransitioned did so because of... social pressure? and not actually because they weren't trans!!!

On top of that, the actual number of people who actually detransitionned was...*drumroll*... 0.4% of the overall sample!

Wow 0.4% thats insanely low compared to the success rate of a lot of other medical procedures right?


Also regarding that Viagra article: "And according to DHA, military beneficiaries, including active-duty personnel, retirees and eligible family members, filled nearly 1.18 million prescriptions for ED medications through this system in 2014."

How many of those do you think are active-duty personnel? I don't think guys serving in the sandbox right now are worried about getting laid/getting some chub. Pretty sure if you're active duty regardless of branch you really aren't loveually active. Transgenders need to actively keep taking their hormones as far as I know, so how's that comparable to boner meds exactly? Don't forget the fact that hormones are more expensive than Viagra, and again good luck passing a bill that makes the military delegate some of their cash to funding hormones. This isn't even taking into fact the side affects of hormone replacement, and how it forgets with your mental and emotional state. You're forgetting A LOT of variables here dude.
i don't care if they are active duty or retired.

the fact of the matter is, every person that is/was in the military should have health care and trans healthcare is health care. the amount of trans people is incomparable to the amount of men taking viagra and by some estimates it would only amount to like 8 mil a year. I'm simply illustrating the point that it is such a cheap amount compared to a luxury men take all the time, therefore it's not an argument to not allow them in the military because its "too expensive" like you said.

There is a lot of research about on hormone replacement my guy, it actually alleviates the symptoms of disphoria. Do you want me to dig up the forgetton of science that agrees with me again?

Please, for the love of god, read and parse these studies yourself. Don't just believe that random internet articles (which are not the primary sources) are right about their interpretation next time.

Sources:
[1] https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885
[2] http://transadvocate.com/fact-check-study-shows-transition-makes-trans-people-suicidal_n_15483.htm
[3] https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people/
[4] https://sci-hub.se/https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1365-2265.2009.03625.x
[5] https://transequality.org/sites/default/files/docs/usts/USTS-Full-Report-Dec17.pdf
« Last Edit: October 28, 2020, 02:33:48 PM by Aide33 »

aide33 do you really think articles from "transadvocate.com" are fair, unbiased, and scientific?

funny how i read that article and its 80% anecdotes and "WAHHH REPUBLICANS BAD CONSERVATIVES BAD tribal national socialistS WAHH" and "look at this brave trans guy who won the olympics then went female to completely dominate female tournaments, keep watching while we sneak off"

aide33 do you really think articles from "transadvocate.com" are fair, unbiased, and scientific?

funny how i read that article and its 80% anecdotes and "WAHHH REPUBLICANS BAD CONSERVATIVES BAD tribal national socialistS WAHH" and "look at this brave trans guy who won the olympics then went female to completely dominate female tournaments, keep watching while we sneak off"
again, you are literally a loving dumbass and if you clicked the link you would realise its a rehost of a conversation a reporter had with the PERSON WHO MADE THE STUDY that mr bones is referencing, which is what I was quoting. I don't give a stuff about the rest of the article, but instead of arguing at my point you misinterpret everything the author is saying and move away from an actual conversation about how the study "proving" what mr bones thought doesnt prove his point at all.

and the other is a rehost of a study that mr bones also referenced

this is like reading a url that says "math.org" and saying "wow damn, of COURSE this website would say 2+2 = 4"

you can literally just ignore all of my post and like all like 83 different studies i cited that are all peer reviewed scientific articles that have been published by scientific journals, it doesnt matter what website they are hosted on

for future reference, i'll make sure to host all of my science on transpeoplearegay1488.org or something so you will read it
« Last Edit: October 28, 2020, 03:12:09 PM by Aide33 »

it doesn't matter, my point stands as: where do we draw the line in terms of "how good" someone's mental health is


dog special interestism is related to my post how

are you saying furries is where the line should be drawn?
« Last Edit: October 28, 2020, 03:08:32 PM by Aide33 »

dog special interestism is related to my post how
I was just answering your question with a picture

Quote from: Aide33
it doesn't matter, my point stands as: where do we draw the line in terms of "how good" someone's mental health is
how about questioning whether which restroom you should use based on supposed self 'gender identity' or what's actually in your pants. that might be a start to a mental health issue called denying the physical world

also see
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOkdR7on6Ok
« Last Edit: October 28, 2020, 03:11:32 PM by Goth77 »

I was just answering your question with a picture
how about questioning whether which restroom you should use based on supposed self 'gender identity' or what's actually in your pants. that might be a start to a mental health issue called denying the physical world

also see
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOkdR7on6Ok
ok so a trans person yelling at gamestop staff discredits every scientific article in existence? you know trans people are more common than red heads right? do you deny red heads exist?