U.S.A. Politics Thread

Poll

I have posted a possibility for the election outcome in 6 variations. Choose your preferred below.

A. https://i.imgur.com/F6TVPLY.png
8 (34.8%)
B. https://i.imgur.com/uuRmNcE.png
3 (13%)
C. https://i.imgur.com/JK2OSsA.png
1 (4.3%)
D. https://i.imgur.com/sl6MVas.png
2 (8.7%)
E. https://i.imgur.com/K1GHlD3.png
2 (8.7%)
F. https://i.imgur.com/br3Sp06.png
7 (30.4%)

Total Members Voted: 23

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If we can get an accurate count of non-citizens then we can also accurately target and deport non-citizens.
ya youre probably right. state/federal govt has a wealth of information it could do things with but it doesnt, such as for taxes where they already have the info but for some reason feel like shredding forests outsourcing the job of... something? to every taxpayer. i actually do not know what work we're filling in for the govt when we file taxes. but i bet costs a lot of money to run nationwide deportation squads, and then you get a bunch of annoying people that are put off by the federal agents shoving the nice family down the street into vans and shipping them across the ocean. thats probably not so good for elections, but the lifehack is that if you run as a democrat the media wont make a big deal out of it

conservatives when accepting immigrants is a part of their national identity

thats probably not so good for elections, but the lifehack is that if you run as a democrat the media wont make a big deal out of it
biden moment

conservatives when accepting immigrants is a part of their national identity

I'm fine with legal immigrants. We cant just allow anyone in. This is a massive hole in security and common sense.

Allowing non-citizens to be counted in censuses, alongside allowing them to "vote locally" is an exploit for the onlyparty the actively advocates for less border restrictions and has illegal immigration sanctuaries.

This is a political ponzy scheme that is only giving power to the hyper wealthy. Normal middle class citizens get beaten out at the workplace by people who they can pay under the table at below minimum wage, and if they dare say anything they can have them deported and replaced.

This is a pseudo-guilded age setup that doesn't just hurt the US, it hurts those who immigrated here illegally, those who stand against obscene wealth.

If you don't like seeing your local businesses getting ahniliated, you shouldnt like what the democrats are doing.

If you like the sound of "T H A N K   Y O U   F O R   S H O P P I N G   A T   W A L M A R T. " as you "stick it" to DisnAmaMountWarnerCast a PespiCoke company. Then enjoy the bugs.

Its ironic that I'll see so called Communists and Socialists claim they want to help the working class, but they let this stuff fly on by.

This isnt fascism. This isnt communism. Its not socialism, Annoying Orangeism or even leftism.

This is Corporatism, and its been here a long time. And we need to pay attention to where its roots are so they can be pulled out.


but i bet costs a lot of money to run nationwide deportation squads, and then you get a bunch of annoying people that are put off by the federal agents shoving the nice family down the street into vans and shipping them across the ocean. thats probably not so good for elections, but the lifehack is that if you run as a democrat the media wont make a big deal out of it
ATF costs more money but we give them more and more money every year even though more and more states are identifying as 2nd amendment sanctuary states they still enforce the "laws" there.

ICE I think will follow suit with more funding/ignore state laws.

If you like the sound of "T H A N K   Y O U   F O R   S H O P P I N G   A T   W A L M A R T. " as you "stick it" to DisnAmaMountWarnerCast a PespiCoke company. Then enjoy the bugs.
everyone says they dont support ccp on their made in china phone. What are you supposed to do.

I dare ICE and the ATF to try and stop me

If you like the sound of "T H A N K   Y O U   F O R   S H O P P I N G   A T   W A L M A R T. " as you "stick it" to DisnAmaMountWarnerCast a PespiCoke company. Then enjoy the bugs.
i like it cuz i can do a perfect impression of the walmart self checkout machine voice

I'm fine with legal immigrants. We cant just allow anyone in. This is a massive hole in security and common sense.

Allowing non-citizens to be counted in censuses, alongside allowing them to "vote locally" is an exploit for the onlyparty the actively advocates for less border restrictions and has illegal immigration sanctuaries.

This is a political ponzy scheme that is only giving power to the hyper wealthy. Normal middle class citizens get beaten out at the workplace by people who they can pay under the table at below minimum wage, and if they dare say anything they can have them deported and replaced.

This is a pseudo-guilded age setup that doesn't just hurt the US, it hurts those who immigrated here illegally, those who stand against obscene wealth.

If you don't like seeing your local businesses getting ahniliated, you shouldnt like what the democrats are doing.

If you like the sound of "T H A N K   Y O U   F O R   S H O P P I N G   A T   W A L M A R T. " as you "stick it" to DisnAmaMountWarnerCast a PespiCoke company. Then enjoy the bugs.

Its ironic that I'll see so called Communists and Socialists claim they want to help the working class, but they let this stuff fly on by.

This isnt fascism. This isnt communism. Its not socialism, Annoying Orangeism or even leftism.

This is Corporatism, and its been here a long time. And we need to pay attention to where its roots are so they can be pulled out.
wasting your time rambling and repeating about foreigners having political power in the united states is very annoying and you should consider how much power a working illegal immigrant really has compared to an american worker. since you’re dense ill just tell you the answer is that you’re comparing the power of 0 to the power of 1 while others instead have the power to organize a government that doesn’t need to govern by and for the purpose of collecting capital. this isn’t because of illegals or Annoying Orange or antifa.

you are discussing the logistical issue of evicting residents who are working american immigrants by all but legal status within the span of 30 days without legal counsel granted by the state in or outside of court to ensure due process and real systemic accountability are taking place. the state also estimates that some 70% of them pay tax in full. this is a petty issue and fanatically edgeposting about “blame” and “deserve” and “reward” is a coping mechanism that either A) institutions have used to propagandized you, B) an act of you attempting to propagandize vulnerable people, or more likely C) both

the US asylum seeking program is an embarrassment of a system leading to 40% of people qualified and interested being skeptical of being detained themselves within their home country due to information being openly shared with them while you wait for 3 years needing to occasionally venture back to forget knows where for your court dates (over 90% of asylum seekers still manage to attend all of their court dates). as illegal immigrants you’re dealing with a proportion well under 1% of the us population.

tldr you can only demand personal accountability and address it’s ridiculously minimal political ramifications when negligence and deliberate inefficiency within your own institutions governing them are themselves accountable to justice. and that’s not what corporatism means you should google it

ironically though relating to the capitalists— having a large illegal immigrant population would be great for them if they were open about the features of the labor market. people don’t publicly acknowledge that capitalism requires a certain proportion of unemployed workers in the system so that capitalists can leverage wages lower to amounts that people who aren’t simply desperate for any job would call unethical. “full employment” itself doesn’t even mean that all citizens are employed, it means that the system has put enough people out of employment that it’s at the “natural rate” necessary to prevent market failure. if capitalists were open about this market feature then they would welcome illegals in open arms because it would mean that citizens alone (who aren’t competing for unskilled labor) could be employed at all times. unfortunately they can’t do this lest they accelerate class consciousness so instead they have to sit there and mald while they are forced instead to lobby against illegal immigration. it is a comfort to consider this



ironically though relating to the capitalists— having a large illegal immigrant population would be great for them if they were open about the features of the labor market. people don’t publicly acknowledge that capitalism requires a certain proportion of unemployed workers in the system so that capitalists can leverage wages lower to amounts that people who aren’t simply desperate for any job would call unethical. “full employment” itself doesn’t even mean that all citizens are employed, it means that the system has put enough people out of employment that it’s at the “natural rate” necessary to prevent market failure. if capitalists were open about this market feature then they would welcome illegals in open arms because it would mean that citizens alone (who aren’t competing for unskilled labor) could be employed at all times. unfortunately they can’t do this lest they accelerate class consciousness so instead they have to sit there and mald while they are forced instead to lobby against illegal immigration. it is a comfort to consider this
in case drydess' post is too dense for you to understand, mm:

capitalism depends on a significant enough portion of the population to be unemployed (read: desperate for any job), so that wages and thus the cost for basic things can be low enough so everyone else can live in comfort. if you find yourself part of this group, the issue isn't illegal immigrants taking your stuffty low paying job, its the system requiring you (and many others) to have stuffty low paying jobs or else the system collapses.
« Last Edit: January 18, 2022, 04:48:15 PM by Conan »

in case drydess' post is too dense for you to understand, mm:

capitalism depends on a significant enough portion of the population to be unemployed (read: desperate for any job), so that wages and thus the cost for basic things can be low enough so everyone else can live in comfort. if you find yourself part of this group, the issue isn't illegal immigrants taking your stuffty low paying job, its the system requiring you (and many others) to have stuffty low paying jobs or else the system collapses.

America wasn't a capitalist nation until its later years. We were a Democratic Republic with a focus on religious traditionalism.

Somewhere along the way, we've hit the point where trading with money == capitalism.

Like tf else do you trade with to make an economy? Cows and Seed i guess if you want to go back that far.

A capitalist nation, in its purest sense, is a nation where money rules all. So long as we have the ability to run for office and the willpower to not take loving bribes as individuals. We're not living the communist propaganda dystopia nightmare film you may think we are.

It's bad. Real bad. But not unsalvagable. My problem is that the average dimwit suddenly decides that america is capitalist and the obvious solution to solve all our problems is a hammer and loving sickle. Just do the opposite.

A pure capitalist nation can never prosper.  We need to remain focused on our core values of a democratic republic. That means stop with the commie bs of willfully misassociating the mere act of spending money and not being dirt poor as living the "capitalist pig life".


i dont think you get the difference between a country's government and a country's economy. a democratic republic has no bearing on how a capitalist economy runs, barring how laws that affect the economy are put in place. you can have a democratic republic and also move away from a capitalist economy.

your own misunderstanding of the situation and grasping onto the few tenets of conservatism you have left is going to mainly affect you. everyone here who argues against capitalism likely only does so because they are aware of the issues with it due to having a good education, and correspondingly, likely have decent jobs which put them above the "stuffty job" tier. you are part of the group who has the most to gain by shifting towards a more socialist/unionized economy.
« Last Edit: January 18, 2022, 09:30:52 PM by Conan »