Poll

What to focus on first?

Polish and mod completion (add special functionality to bugs and stuff that have been needing it)
Finish and release the MAS Magma Exo-suit
Finish the MAS Scarab-Wasp playertypes
Create more ASN (robotic) playertypes
Finish up and release the currently exsistant but unrelased bugs (the Tremormites, the two spiders, BugMod 3, ect)
Work on the remainder of the wasps
Work on new bugs!
Create more MAS weapons/suits/items/ect

Author Topic: The Bug & MAS Mods (Server coming maybe)  (Read 752741 times)

So. Whilest Army is doing the more controlled testing of the actual playertypes on his server, I'm working on a refined, slightly bigger trenchdig build that further capitalizes on the 'capture point' design. Army's doing a similar one by what I know, but considering how class-based I have my selection it's got it's own quirks. However, I'm personally debating some balance issues with a few of the MAS Angoria loadouts in particular, which is why I'm popping a post now so I can toy with the loadouts without breaking things on an actual hostday >_> Anyway, mechanics discussion incoming, wall of text warning.

For the most part, MAS is very similar structure to the last time I hosted: 15 'weapon' classes, with 3 additional units thanks to the ASNs and Magma Exosuit. However, several of the MAS classes will require them to HOLD one of the capture points in the base structures. If they lose the control points related to, say, the Armory, they'll lose access to any class spawning from that branch of research. In addition, MAS will lose certain extras if Bugs capture those points (using the Armory example again, the Armory also dictates the spawning of Heavy Ammo Catches in the base, giving ammo to the Heavy Weapons and Antitank soldier's primary. No armory, no Vulcan/Strike Launcher very quickly.) In theory, a properly-defended MAS base should be rather self-defendable, however the various bug species will have MANY access vantage points, both inside and outside, from vents to breaking down the walls D: God this is gonna take a while to build.

Team loadouts for MAS thus far (I'd work on bugs, but I'm waiting until Army gets comfy with the current bugs before I tweak them for the troops)

Assault-Class: Soldiers designed for raids and lightning strikes. Also rather flexable in the heat of battle.

Trooper: Designed as a everyman, and will have arms that cover most ranges to deal with many threats.
Current Equipment: Combat MG, Combat Rifle, Retro Magnum
ISSUES: I'm debating trading the MG/Rifle for the Carbine, one of the Frog Exclusives with a togglable firing modes, which would fit the role of the Trooper well for a primary and lower the amount of headshot pain he can do. His new prospective loadout will probably be Carbine, Retro Magnum, Combat Knife, mayhaps.

Riot Trooper: A 'Tank' class, designed for leading a charge. Unlocked via Armory.
Current Equipment: Riot Shotgun, Pepperbox, Riot Shield, SuperSuit (75% Damage Reduction)
ISSUES: SuperSuit has some minor script/implimentation quibbles in comparison to the other armor suit I'm using (the Welder Armor), but personally I'd love me more access to other armor suits to try and differentiate the classes like this. Not sure who I'd ask for that, and it's not high on the issue list, especially as balance needs to be kept too.

Jet Trooper: MAS 'counter-flyer', with Fuel Jets to jump higher and move faster than most ground-born troops. Not so effective in the tunnels. Unlocked via Armory.
Current Equipment: Compact B. Rifle, Micro SMG, Combat Knife
ISSUES: In all honesty, a flyer in a trenchdig doesn't seem as entirely useful as other classes, but I can see the usefulness of countering flyers and rapid response, so ya, I dunno :S On bright side, these guys were originally supposed to have a Molotov. Nope.gif

Berserker: Close-Quarters combat masters, also the only class that comes stock with a syringe, so can double as a medic until Field Medics are unlocked.
Current Equipment: Chainsaw, Knife-Pole, Combat Knife, Syringe, Welder Armor (projectiles blocked from behind)
ISSUES: Maybe I'm trying to cater to too many different melee specialists here S: Debating sidearm Pistol of some design.

MAS Elite: The obligatory MAS Weapons specialists.
Current Equipment: Orb Launcher, Bug Zapper, HandHeldFlamer
ISSUES: Maybe a wee bit too strong? I dunno, it's hard to tell without testing the combo out...

Defense-Class: Designed for both holding an area and countering superheavy enemies like Worms and Ticks, not to mention those pesky random boss encounters.

Demolitionist: A explosives expert, with small ammo counts but heavy damage. Requires the Armory.
Current Equipment: Impact Launcher, Heavy SMG, Tanto, Conc. Grenades
ISSUES: Debating removing Conc. Grenades, because tunnels and murder.

Support: SHOTGUNS, SHOTGUNS EVERYWHERE
Current Equipment: Auto-Shotgun, Slug Shotgun, Combat Knife
ISSUES: Too plain? Alternatively, not sure if Slug Shotgun is a good choice, because it's yet another headshot weapon :S I'm kinda wanting to try and keep those exclusiveish to certain weapon types (aka Sidearms) and classes (the precision classes in Support), however the Slug Shotgun is a different take and still fits, and also unsure what to replace it with, if even replace it at all.

Heavy Weapons: Vulcan, plus a small selection of sidearms. It's effectiveness goes down the tube if it loses access to the Heavy Ammo Catche. Requires the Armory
Current Equipment: Vulcan, Single Shotgun, Snubnose
ISSUES: Vulcan itself is rather meaty, however it's got more limitations than the standard LMG does. It's also got a rather hillarious jump glitch still, so there's always the risk of Self Delete using it :P

Engineer: Sentry class because sentries actually aren't as imbalanced as one may think. Great against smaller bugs, and weapons can help 'delay' bigger ones. Requires Tech Lab.
Current Equipment: Duel Break Shotgun, Heavy Pistol, Pipe Wrench, MG Kit
ISSUES: By what I've seen of the last couple MAS hostings, the MG Sentry is actually not very effective against the Worm and Scorpion (and other HUGE bugs), so it's usefulness is only really good against the small and weak ones. Duel Break Shotgun is another Frog Exclusive, and it's exactly the name on the tin, a duel-barrel Break Shotty. Pipe Wrench is for prospective HMG turret emplacement idea on the exterior of the base, allowing them to repair them.

Antitank: Considering it takes an entire reserve of Strike Launcher ammo to kill a Worm with this anyway, I'm going to tentatively allow the Antitank into the MAS team this run. Requires the Armory.
Current Equipment: Strike Launcher, Heavy Pistol, Combat Knife
ISSUES: RAWKET LAWNCHARS are almost entirely used on every target but the ones they're intended for -,-; especially when ya got so many small squishy targets. To help counter this, I chose a launcher with both a low ammo reserve (only 6 active rockets, sans the one in the tube) and one that requires actual accuracy, which should reduce the amount of death-by-rocketspam.

Support-Class: Tricky or armed with special abilities, Supports fill the gaps in most other loadouts.

Sniper: Sniping's a good class mate. If I didn't have some sort of projectile sniper I'm sure people will freak :P
Current Equipment: Hawkeye, Heavy Pistol, Machete
ISSUES: I USE THE HEAVY PISTOL TOO MUCH AAAA-

Specialist: Upgraded from the Agile playertype to the Parkour playertype, the Specialist is still the faster, manuverable option. Requires Tech Lab
Current Equipment: Tactical Bullpup, Pop-Gun, Tanto
ISSUES: None currently, though the change of playertype may be jarring to some. Also debating trick-ledges on some of the pre-built structures for this playertype to access.

Commando: My cloaking watch copy has been broke since v20 and a half or somesuch, I swear :/ so Commando is still Shield+ somewhat soloist-minded gear. Requires Tech Lab.
Current Equipment: Blast Rifle, Duel SMG, Combat Knife, Shield Playertype
ISSUES: I'd love to give him the adaptive cloaking again (aka the Invisibility Watch). Maybe I can bug Lordi about it if he's not too busy and has spare time? >_>;

Field Medic: Dedicated healer, only one with ranged heals and is relatively gimped in combat potential as a result. Requires Tech Labs.
Current Equipment: Gauze Gun, Nailgun, Syringe
ISSUES: MAS is the only side with a dedicated healer right now, though Army's made mention of bugs eventually having healpoison. I'll add a dedicated nest for the Bugs to heal at, but even still, unsure how much this will compact a mobile medic.

Sharpshooter: And for those that don't like projectile snipers, here's every other headshot weapon so I don't get complained about thier absense :P
Current Equipment: Retro Sniper, Crossbow, Magnum
ISSUES: HEADSHOTS FOR EVERYBODY, though admittedly that's what the class is designed for.

Extra-Class: Mainly the MAS special playertypes.

ASNs: Army's working on balancing these out allready, as well as some functionalitys of thier own. Requires Robotics Depot
Current Equipment: Duel Zappers/Duel Orb Launchers, dependent on model
ISSUES: Yet again, waiting patiently until bugs are mostly worked out :P

MAS Magma Exosuit: Again, also being balanced, but giving the Exosuit even more OPness in the form of the Blunderbuss Mk2 for a 'closerange' weapon. Essentially, the Exosuit will be a tanky deathdealer, and I'll probably make it a seperate togglepoint AS WELL as put it on a event disable timer. Requires Robotics Depot.
Current Equipment: Magma Lance, Blunderbuss Mk2
ISSUES: As mentioned before, the Exosuit is kinda OP as it stands right now, and then I also gave it the last Frog Exlusive as well, a shotgun that may as well be a portable explosion generator >_>; I'll wait on the bugfix version before I really focus too heavily on seeing if the Blunder Mk2 will cause too many issues.

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Again, asking opinions on my Issues/loadouts, and just giving ya a head's up that I'm not being lazy, I'm actually working competently on something this time :D

Army's watches worked right?
Also, i am not sure if your load-out choices are great, but we will see..

EDIT:
Oh god what have i started to work on AAAAAAAAH! :C
« Last Edit: August 21, 2012, 11:23:17 AM by lordician »

Army's watches worked right?
Also, i am not sure if your load-out choices are great, but we will see..

EDIT:
Oh god what have i started to work on AAAAAAAAH! :C
Army's did, ya. And I can't figure out why it's not working either... :<
As for the loadouts, it's partly why I posted it up for suggestions, and if needbe temphosting to test it with you and Army whenever I get the update. Again, a lot of the balance factor is going to come from the need to control point units, which is also gonna be tricky to test...

The new Trench Dig build is done (excluding secrets which I will do later)
This build tops out at 32,170 bricks, and should hopefully be a huge improvement over the previous version:


Overview of the MAS Base


The new medic bunker for the humans. It's run by solar energy yay


A MAS employee working at the medic computer. As you can see, in the middle of the bunker there is a capture point, as well as healing beds. Also the medic class spawns in this bunker. Both the medic class and the beds are disabled if the bugs cap the point. The flower is totally not a spy camera or anything moving along now kthx


The MAS Power supply (found on the top floor of the MAS base) If the point is captured by the bugs, most of the lights in the MAS base will go out, and several of MAS's classes will be disabled. The flag was moved to a "safer" area. (see below)


The MAS flag is now located on the bottom floor of the MAS base. The area around the flag spawn will destroy sentries (sorta prevents camping)


The new ASN spawn room. I thought I'd make room for things to come~


New spawning area for the Large bugs. The plate next to the scorpion is a healing pad. Hopefully it should allow the bugs to more easily fend off camp-fests. (no worries, the bug spawns are not directly in the path to the bug's flag)


The Bug's new flag room. And glowy mushooms C:


Outside view of the new spider cave. MAS owns the cave from the start. If the bugs want spiders, they must dig up to the cave and cap the area.


The hill shown here is actually directly above the Bug Hive.


Far below the surface, forces of the earthshaking swarm gather..


This image is 100% unrelated to the coming server, but I thought it was pretty neat so here you go :)

this mod has taken 2 years already

how many more shall it take

All thinks will come... in time.

Just a question; are any bugs specifically designated as healers? If we do not, I think modifying one type of the future ants to be a Honeypot ant (in real life, these ants hold honey and liquid in their abdomens, and when "pressed" by another ant they vomit it all back up.) Disgusting? Yes. An interesting healer class? I think so.

« Last Edit: August 22, 2012, 11:46:15 AM by Blockoman »

this mod has taken 2 years already

how many more shall it take
No this is the MAS&Bug mods topic, not the GCat topic.
This one is actually about 4 years old. :)

Just have some patience.

hmm, Honeypot Ant as a healer is a pretty good idea. I'll think about it.

this mod has taken 2 years already

how many more shall it take

The best creations take the longest to make~


So, when is bug mod 2 expected to come out?

So, when is bug mod 2 expected to come out?

When it's done. I do not have a release date, sorry.



Changelog for 8/22/2012:


Scarab-Wasp:
   -Reduced health from 210 to 190
   -Reduced running speed just a bit more
   -Reduced the fire-speed of the zapper by a small amount
   -The Zappers of the Security Scarab-Wasp now use energy
   -Added a damage effect (looks kinda like electricity)

Firefly:
   -Fixed the Flash effecting team-mates (Thanks Lordician! :)
   -Added a new falling animation (or was this in at the last hosting?)

Syringe: (all changes credited to Lordician)
   -Disabled the Syringe healing ASN (Scarab-Wasps)
   -Increased the re-fire time for healing team-mates

Welder: (all changes also credited to Lordician)
   -Disabled the sentry upgrade ability to limit camping and OP-ness
   -Welder now heals ASN

MAS Class loadout Changes:

-Replaced the Medic class's Machine Pistol for a Classic Pistol
-Added new class: Engineer -- Machine Pistol, Welder
-Replaced the Anti-Bug class's micro SMG for a Modern Pistol 
-Reverted the Digger class's Rifle Sentry to the SMG Sentry (Originally changed due to popular request. I personally find that the Rifle Sentry breaks balance to a degree)

Bug Class Changes:

-Added two more pills to the Caterpillar (was in previously, but never documented)
-Re-added the Firefly Flash to the Firefly
-Slightly shrunk the bounding boxes of the Scorpion, Worm, Caterpillar
-Slightly increased the jump power of the Worm and Caterpillar
-Removed the jumping delay for Jumping Spider

Admin team Class changes:

-Added something to the Dread Centipedes load-out, and removed the digging tools
-Added five new classes:
   -The MAS Scientist -- Bug Zapper, Orb Launcher, Punching, Syringe, uses the Realistic Survivor Playertype (modified falling damage)
   -Swift Dragon -- Dragon Fire Ball, Dragon Fire Breath, Dragon Fire Barrage, Mighty Roar (currently does nothing but make a might roaring sounds), Boost Test (A test item that I made years ago. It allows Swifty to boost around)
   -Land Dragon -- Dragon Fire Ball, Dragon Fire Breath, Dragon Fire Barrage, Mighty Roar, Pill, Dragon Claws
   -Air Dragon -- Dragon Fire Ball, Dragon Fire Breath, Dragon Fire Barrage, Mighty Roar, Pill,
   -Nomad (they guy from Crysis) -- Bullpup, Sub Machine gun, Covert Pistol, Conc' Grenade, Invisibility Watch, uses Lordician's fancy but WIP NanoSuit playertype (if Lordician has any objections to me using this, I will replace it with something else) 

NOTE: Originally they Dragons were disabled to reduce client loading times. I've enabled them because I really don't think they'd cause much of an issue, but if loading times become significantly worse I will disable them again.


I'm pretty sure I missed some things. I'll update the list if I remember anything.
« Last Edit: August 23, 2012, 12:37:12 AM by ArmyUnit »

The Honeypot Ant idea is a pretty good suggestion :D Also with that changelog, me likes.

The boomer bug is now ingame:



Yess I decided to not make it "bubbly". Deal with it.
I would post why I made that choice, but I'd rather continue working atm.


dat ass.
Oh god lol.
The boomer bug is now ingame:
-snip-
Yess I decided to not make it "bubbly". Deal with it.
I would post why I made that choice, but I'd rather continue working atm.
The legs look kind of flashy, or is that just me.
Also:
1. I am credit to team. ;P
2. I see you are using some of my WIP stuff like the mighty roar and the WIP nanosuit...
That's okay. I shared them with you, so you may use that stuff if you like to do so.
However, i kind of stopped working on the Nanosuit and began working on the Advanced Combat playertype, which will be a bit like the nanosuit but with customization of the abilities and health for the players (abilities and health will be settable through events).
I think i had a custom cloaking ability done, but i am not sure.
Anyhow, it's okay, if i (once) shared it with you, you can use it all you want. ;)
« Last Edit: August 24, 2012, 07:12:35 AM by lordician »