Marijuana

[Tom]

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/03/10/marijuana-use-in-high-school/

The findings are based on a survey of 4,097 Connecticut students in the ninth through 12th grades. Although the research is not a nationally representative sample, the results are similar to other national studies and offer a glimpse into the recreational life of a high school student.

The most likely users were 11th and 12th graders, as well as teenagers who had average grades in the B to C range or lower. Teenagers in single-parent households were more likely to report marijuana use than those in two-parent homes.

High school students who took part in sports or extracurricular activities were less likely to use the drug than those without any after-school activities. The exception was teenagers who were employed. Students who reported having a job outside of school were more likely to have used marijuana than those who were unemployed.

Not surprisingly, various risky behaviors like gambling, drinking, fighting, steroid use and smoking cigarettes were all associated with higher risk for using marijuana. Depression and self-harm behaviors like cutting were also associated with marijuana use.

This study was posted in a medicine journal, it's probably pretty accurate.

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[ßoltster]

I've got nothing against pot, but I'd never use it.

I've seen it turn some really intelligent people in to absolute wasters in the past couple of years. It was just an entry level drug when they started, but now they've moved on to some pretty heavy stuff.

[Trifax]

No study needs to show if kids use drugs when they participate in a sport. If you're caught using drugs, drinking alcohol, anything like that, you're off the team. That's their incentive to not do anything like that. At my school at least, it seems lots and lots of people get drunk pretty frequently, and lots do marijuana. There's an area just off campus where kids go to smoke during school (which I think is handicapped, frankly) but the school I go to is one of the top high schools in Washington in terms of college acceptance and whatnot. Two years ago, the graduating senior class had a 92% acceptance rate in college. The other 7% was gap-year students, traveling abroad, working to pay for college, etc...

It. Is. A. Stereotype. And often times, the people who are getting C's and the such are the students that don't function to perform higher than that. There are lots of kids like that, and they find brilliance in other areas. At least that's the case with kids I know. Yeah, they smoke marijuana, yeah they don't get straight A's in school, but some of them make the coolest music, play some instrument extremely well, some invent things, it's just the way they work. You can argue all you want, even with the proof, but your "study" said itself it's not a national representation. That's numbers from Connecticut students.

[Trifax]

I've got nothing against pot, but I'd never use it.

I've seen it turn some really intelligent people in to absolute wasters in the past couple of years. It was just an entry level drug when they started, but now they've moved on to some pretty heavy stuff.

sorry double post here...anyway, it's a shame that some people let it take advantage of themselves. Self-control is a great thing to learn, and if you don't learn it now, they'll face life recovery getting back from that heavy stuff. I know a girl who just got out of rehab last fall for heroin. It CAN be used as a gateway drug, but usually it isn't.

[Tom]

No study needs to show if kids use drugs when they participate in a sport. If you're caught using drugs, drinking alcohol, anything like that, you're off the team. That's their incentive to not do anything like that. At my school at least, it seems lots and lots of people get drunk pretty frequently, and lots do marijuana. There's an area just off campus where kids go to smoke during school (which I think is handicapped, frankly) but the school I go to is one of the top high schools in Washington in terms of college acceptance and whatnot. Two years ago, the graduating senior class had a 92% acceptance rate in college. The other 7% was gap-year students, traveling abroad, working to pay for college, etc...

Your right about sports. But it just shows that people get enough enjoyment from sports so they do that instead of smoke all day.
92% acceptance into what? Community college?

It. Is. A. Stereotype. And often times, the people who are getting C's and the such are the students that don't function to perform higher than that. There are lots of kids like that, and they find brilliance in other areas. At least that's the case with kids I know. Yeah, they smoke marijuana, yeah they don't get straight A's in school, but some of them make the coolest music, play some instrument extremely well, some invent things, it's just the way they work. You can argue all you want, even with the proof, but your "study" said itself it's not a national representation. That's numbers from Connecticut students.

But it's still a stretch to say that someone who smokes marijuana is highly intelligent. Sure, many stoners may be just average at B grades, but I'm sure there is rarely a stoner that is above average with straight As.
And about it not being a national average, look at the first quote in my above post. It correlates to other similar studies.

[yuki]

The problem I have with that study is Marijuana use in High School. That's an extremely emotionally fragile time in a person's life, of course the results are going to be different than that of 12th grade seniors and graduates. A problem I have, however, is that they said certain behaviors are related to Marijuana use. Correlation is not causation, and the quotes you posted seem to ignore that.

In any case, this brings up something else: I'm arguing on the side of adult use of the substance, I don't necessarily agree with teenagers under the age of 17 using it because they're still developing their body and minds, most are quite fragile. I and my friends, on the other hand, are all around the age of 18+, the demographic for most health studies.

Your right about sports. But it just shows that people get enough enjoyment from sports so they do that instead of smoke all day.

Excersize releases dopamine, a drug that creates happiness. Yes your brain creates its own drugs.

But it's still a stretch to say that someone who smokes marijuana is highly intelligent. Sure, many stoners may be just average at B grades, but I'm sure there is rarely a stoner that is above average with straight As.

I hope you realize that there is no specific demographic for Marijuana users. You can't just generalize all of them like that, the world isn't loving High School. A large portion of Marijuana smokers are above the age of 21, some are married and lead successful lives with children and families, some are well over the age of 35. There was an episode of Oprah with a piece on these people, and they're people you'd never imagine do it because they don't fit the asshat stereotype that you subscribe to.

As for intelligence; Of my stoner friends: Around half attend universities, a handful of which got scholarships. Using Cannabis is not indicative of intelligence and you're stupid for thinking so.

[Otis Da HousKat]

I smoke it occasionally with friends and I am in university (*gasp*) for engineering (*gasp*) and have good grades (*GASP*). I've done dumber stuff while out drinking with friends (a legal activity) than I have with a bit of marijuana.

Correlation is not causation, and the quotes you posted seem to ignore that.

Thank you.

In all honesty, I've always bought drugs from the people who look NOTHING like drug dealers. Its really all about connections. If you know a guy who has a buddy that smokes, ask if you can hit him up. Its all about contacts.

My friend gets the weed from a smokin' hot babe.

[zookuw]

I smoke it occasionally with friends and I am in university (*gasp*) for engineering (*gasp*) and have good grades (*GASP*). I've done dumber stuff while out drinking with friends (a legal activity) than I have with a bit of marijuana.
Thank you.
My friend gets the weed from a smokin' hot babe.

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[Otis Da HousKat]

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It was supposed to be lasagna, but the forum didn't like the picture when it had more cheese and some green herbs on top.

[zookuw]

It was supposed to be lasagna, but the forum didn't like the picture when it had more cheese and some green herbs on top.

Oh, I get it now.
IMO, I am dumb.


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[Dodger]

I'm pretty sure the "stereotypical lazy pothead" would most likely be lazy without pot.

[yuki]

I'm pretty sure the "stereotypical lazy pothead" would most likely be lazy without pot.

Exactly. People predisposed to be dumb are going to be dumb with or without Marijuana. While high, you don't become less intelligent by any means.

[Trifax]

Your right about sports. But it just shows that people get enough enjoyment from sports so they do that instead of smoke all day.
92% acceptance into what? Community college? A 4-year college or university anywhere in the country.

But it's still a stretch to say that someone who smokes marijuana is highly intelligent. Sure, many stoners may be just average at B grades, but I'm sure there is rarely a stoner that is above average with straight As.
And about it not being a national average, look at the first quote in my above post. It correlates to other similar studies.

See yuki's post.