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Not really...
Philosophy = literally meaning love of knowledge

yeah, and we all know how christians hate science

Not really...
Philosophy = literally meaning love of knowledge

religion = love and knowledge of god

What part of my post was making fun of you?

I don't know where you learned English, but the word "no" can be used to express disagreement, as is the case here.

disagreeing with != making fun of
my mistake, i misread what you said and edited my post


Making fun of an individual's beliefs without any strong or tactical arguments when the topic isn't even focused directly on them.

You are so cool.
I wasn't trying to make fun of him. I just think the idea of the "big bang" theory is funny.

Anyways that was unnecessary of me.

I just think the idea of the "big bang" theory is funny.

What's funny about it?

What's funny about it?

Probably thinking of a "WTF BOOM" video or something.

1 - FIRST MOVER: Some things are in motion granted, anything moved is moved by another granted tentatively, thomas aquinas doesn't know that but it's reasonable, and there can't be an infinite series of movers false, why not?. So there must be a first mover (a mover that isn't itself moved by another) why does the first mover have to be god, occam's razor predicts that it's not an omniscient omnipresent benevolent being. This is God completely irrational and unrelated conclusion.

2 - FIRST CAUSE: Some things are caused, anything caused is caused by another, and there can't be an infinite series of causes. So there must be a first cause (a cause that isn't itself caused by another). This is God.
this is exactly the same as argument 1

3 - NECESSARY BEING: Every contingent being at some time fails to exist. So if everything were contingent, then at some time there would have been nothing -- and so there would be nothing now -- which is clearly false . So not everything is contingent granted up till here. So there is a necessary being why does it have to be a being? why can't it be a singularity or a blueberry muffin?. This is God another completely unrelated conclusion. all this argument proves is that something is not contingent.

4 - GREATEST BEING: Some things are greater than others granted. Whatever is great to any degree gets its greatness from that which is the greatest no? no I don't grant you that. you can be smarter than another person without knowing the smartest person in the world. So there is a greatest being, which is the source of all greatness why can't there be more than one great being who are great at one particular thing? and all you've proved is that there's someone who's better than everyone else at something. being better than everyone else doesn't make you god. This is God nope.

5 - INTELLIGENT DESIGNER: Many things in the world that lack intelligence act for an end not really, they act and cause an end but not for an end but whatever. Whatever acts for an end must be directed by an intelligent being False premise. Not everything that results in an end is intelligent, everything around us is an example of that. Gravity is a clearly unintelligent force that acts by predictable laws that need not god and it causes an end. So the world must have an intelligent designer NO. This is God NO.

Religious people Have a false sense of superiority.  :cookieMonster:


Topic title is so true.

Apparently being dead before birth = God did stuff.

lol butthurt.

not really, the big bang theory is the most widely accepted theory of creation (excluding god), him laughing at it just makes him look stupid

him laughing at it just makes him look stupid
No, not really.

No, not really.

Yes, yes really. The big bang theory is widely accepted by the scientific community because it is backed by everything we know about the universe.

Yes, yes really. The big bang theory is widely accepted by the scientific community because it is backed by everything we know about the universe.
Not everyone is a part of the scientific community.

Not everyone is a part of the scientific community.

That's true, but the scientific community is a pretty good indicator of what's factually backed.

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counter arguments.

1. Your whole reason here is based off of another theory (occam's razor, which in itself has multiple flaws), and that there can't be infinite movers
there can't be infinite movers because everything must have a cause, so there must be a starting point. (god is the starting point, always existed)

2. see 1

3. There must be a being because only something like that posses the intelligence to start everything. so the being must be sentient and all powerful (god)

4.
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n his fourth point Aquinas notes that there is a certain gradation in all things. For instance we can group things that are hot according to varying degrees of the amount of heat perceptible in that object. In classifying objects there is always something which displays the maximum fullness of that characteristic. Thus universal qualities in man such as justice and goodness must attribute their varying qualities to God; the source of maximum and perfect justice and goodness.
couldn't have worded it better, from: http://www.saintaquinas.com/belief_in_God.html

5. everything serves an end, gravity for example, serves the end of keeping us in orbit around the sun, on the earth, etc. it was created by god for these purposes and has rules that WE gave it to explain it.


btw, i would be more than happy to continue this with any person via PM rather than spam up this topic