Religious Views?

[Fracture]

Now I dont really want to say this, because I know some people will get pissed off, but...

What has God ever done for anybody?
Last I checked, He destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, Flooded the Earth, Sent his son to die, Allows children to die everyday in Africa, and other than that... Does nothing.

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[Daedalus]

what
he wasnt even talking about reporting bolster


lern2red nob

whoops my bad
it applies to fracture too - he's cool

[Doomonkey]

At no time in history has anyone ever seen one kind of animal change into another kind of animal, like a chicken into a reptile, or a dog into a cat.

No one needs to see a large change because small changes do occur and the logic behind evolution is undeniable.

All of those small changes have to add up sometime.

[Daedalus]

Now I dont really want to say this, because I know some people will get pissed off, but...

What has God ever done for anybody?
Last I checked, He destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, Flooded the Earth, Sent his son to die, Allows children to die everyday in Africa, and other than that... Does nothing.

the belief that a god created earth and then left it to fend and create on its own is called deism
my friend is a deist

[SWAT One]

Sent his son to die

Look up the word "propitiation"

[Fracture]

At no time in history has anyone ever seen one kind of animal change into another kind of animal, like a chicken into a reptile, or a dog into a cat.

Thats because Evolution doesnt work like that.
Dogs dont turn into cats, reptiles dont turn into chickens.
Evolution is about adaptation.

[Doomonkey]

Evolution is about adaptation.

I don't like the word adaptation with Evolution because it implies that it isn't random chance.

[SWAT One]

No you couldn't. Boltster is a well-respected member who didn't even commit spam¹, and you're a narrowminded child who seems to be completely detached from logic.²

1>
a>>  I wasn't accusing Boltster of spamming.
b>>  Well respected under what community.  I respect his opinion, as he is putting up     a decent fight, but this isn't to say the rest of the community thinks the same.

2>Well then, I never heard anything about you hearing both sides.

[Daedalus]

I don't like the word adaptation with Evolution because it implies that it isn't random chance.

it isn't random chance
that's called mutation

1>
a>>  I wasn't accusing Boltster of spamming.
b>>  Well respected under what community.  I respect his opinion, as he is putting up     a decent fight, but this isn't to say the rest of the community thinks the same.

2>Well then, I never heard anything about you hearing both sides.

1a/b. I meant Fracture but it still applies. Watch the video Boltster posted.
2. Are you implying this is a two-sided debate? Nice. I'm agnostic.

[Mysteroo]

But in response to it anyway, have a wikipedia quote
The "Alvis Delk Cretaceous Footprint", allegedly a human footprint partially overlapped by an Acrocanthosaurus dinosaur footprint in Glen Rose limestone.[7][26][27][28] This was deemed "not a convincing human footprint in ancient rock" by biologist Glen J. Kuban and called a "blatant fake" by biologist PZ Myers.[29]
In 2008, a descendant of a family that found many original Paluxy River dinosaur tracks in the 1930s claimed that her grandfather had faked many of them, including the "Alvis Delk Cretaceous Footprint".[34]

Well it is Wikipedia, lol
But if that doesn't work for you, what about this?
Evolution says that we started as chimps, or monkeys, something along those lines, and came up, and we are gradually improving. But the Bible says otherwise, that Giants used to roam the earth even. This seems to point to the latter.

Now I dont really want to say this, because I know some people will get pissed off, but...

What has God ever done for anybody?
Last I checked, He destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah,  Flooded the Earth, Sent his son to die, Allows children to die everyday in Africa, and other than that... Does nothing.

When he destroyed Sodom and Gommorrah, and Flooded the earth, as harsh as it sounds, he was being more just. If you know anything about Christianity, you'll know that we think the wages of sin is death. And the earth before the Flood, sodom, and Gommorah were into more sin than most people are in today. If anybody deserved death, it was them.
Again, if you know anything about Christianity, he sent his son to die for good reason, (and it's not like Jesus didn't agree to it.) As for people in Africa, I believe God lets pain and suffering stay in the world because often it's only when people are suffering that they turn to God. It's the only way a lot of them ever can get their lives straight again.

All of those small changes have to add up sometime.

And you're right. Years of breeding dogs and we get the Chihuahua. Set them loose in the forest and lets see how long they survive, lol (It's still a dog btw, same kind of animal)

[SlayerZ99]

Now I dont really want to say this, because I know some people will get pissed off, but...

What has God ever done for anybody?
Last I checked, He destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, Flooded the Earth, Sent his son to die, Allows children to die everyday in Africa, and other than that... Does nothing.

Destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah and flooded the earth because they were living in sin. Sent his Son to die to remove our sin. God cannot look upon sin. He sent his Son to take away the sins of the world giving them the chance of salvation.

I don't like the word adaptation with Evolution because it implies that it isn't random chance.

I think the word adaption would be better because random chance can sound ridiculous. Like that theres a 1/4^18,000 that 18,000 letters of DNA could form into strands able to start life.

[Böltster]

Seriously swat, you just don't get it.

What open mindedness is:
Forming judgement based on a critical understanding of both sides of an argument, and then critically evaluating any new evidence that comes up

What open mindedness is not:
Forming a judgement based on a critical understanding of both sides of an arugment, and then locking yourself into a belief set, refusing to acknowledge any further developments

You're the latter, claiming to be the former.

Well it is Wikipedia, lol
But if that doesn't work for you, what about this

Wikipedia is an extremely good source of information, of course you would try and suggest it's not valid.
I mean seriously, you're linking to pictures off a wordpress blog and trying to suggest that wikipedia is a bad source? get real
Link me to a wikipedia article on the 47 inch femur, or a scientific article. Any less and you're just making a joke out of your own case.

[Fracture]

When he destroyed Sodom and Gommorrah, and Flooded the earth, as harsh as it sounds, he was being more just. If you know anything about Christianity, you'll know that we think the wages of sin is death. And the earth before the Flood, sodom, and Gommorah were into more sin than most people are in today. If anybody deserved death, it was them.
Again, if you know anything about Christianity, he sent his son to die for good reason, (and it's not like Jesus didn't agree to it.) As for people in Africa, I believe God lets pain and suffering stay in the world because often it's only when people are suffering that they turn to God. It's the only way a lot of them ever can get their lives straight again.

Because killing children who dont know about god, makes them believe in god.
Sodom and Gomorrah were sinful? Yeah. A lot of people are. In Colossians they had several problems with the church, people worshipping at temples, sleeping with prostitutes... Note that all these people were self-proclaimed Christians. god did nothing with them.
Why does god do nothing now?

[Mega-Bear]

whoops my bad
it applies to fracture too - he's cool

Not taking sides, but ye I like Fracture.

[Mysteroo]

Wikipedia is an extremely good source of information, of course you would try and suggest it's not valid.
I mean seriously, you're linking to pictures off a wordpress blog and trying to suggest that wikipedia is a bad source? get real
Link me to a wikipedia article on the 47 inch femur, or a scientific article. Any less and you're just making a joke out of your own case.

Wikipedia usually is a good source of information. But I wouldn't think so for such controversial topics, people do lie just to further their beliefs, theists and atheists.
And as for what I've been linking, I remember seeing those pictures a long time ago, in a more professional and reliable setting. I didn't want to go through the effort of trying to remember what that website was (or book, or video, or whatever it was) because I didn't want to keep you waiting. So I just googled it and hit the image I remembered. But you can't say the image is fake just because it's posted on a website you don't think is reliable. It's all over the internet.

Because killing children who dont know about god, makes them believe in god.
Sodom and Gomorrah were sinful? Yeah. A lot of people are. In Colossians they had several problems with the church, people worshipping at temples, sleeping with prostitutes... Note that all these people were self-proclaimed Christians. god did nothing with them.
Why does god do nothing now?

God isn't killing people, he's allowing for the possibility of death so that more people could end up in the right place than could have before. And as I said before, God was acting more just in the old testament. Once Jesus came down and fulfilled the old laws, we didn't have to go through such great measures to be considered right with God, and God didn't have to be so strict.
     And one thing I forgot to say earlier is, I don't believe God is doing nothing. It's easy to see things that way from an atheist or an agnostic point of view, but I and many other people are of the belief that God is still quite active today.