there were plenty of civilizations that accepted being gay. The Spartans encouraged being gay because it made you fight harder for your fellow soldiers. Ancient greece also accepted gays.
but that's not even a counter point because if gay people existed in roman/greek times that means it was common back then too, meaning it didn't surface within the past 100 years.
I will comment in red.
Robo inspired me to revisit this issue that many of you seem to jump on the bandwagon with.
Three years ago, I met this semi-geeky kid named Andrew. He and I were into computers at the time, so we would talk and discuss the latest and greatest on what computers were capable of. I should also mention, that we both liked these girls in one of the cliques at our school. Usually, during lunch, we'd go and mack on the women who ranked decently popular on the social caste. Over the course of the school year, neither of us "got the girl" we liked, and I told him that it wasn't that big of an issue. Andrew and I hung out still, but I noticed it took kind of a toll on him. He'd make remarks on how males higher in the social hierarchy were "total jerks / why doesn't she like me" sort of babble. I just told him they were stupid, and you don't need to worry about it.
he sounds unconfident. okay.
tl;dr befriended geek who liked girls. didn't get the girl
Anyways, fast forward a few years. I hadn't seen Andrew in quite some time, since we had different classes. I met back up with him on the first day of Sophomore year, and noticed he acted different. When I mentioned the subject of women, he said he "wasn't really into girls right now." Thinking the whole ordeal yesteryear had demolished his confidence, I calmly replied that he should check out some of the older women to change his mind. He just declined and I went on with my business.
but how does this prove it's a choice? what if he was a closeted biloveual and he made a generalization about women (that they only like "jerks) and decided he'll go with his other option, since he was biloveual. or he was simply gay and he didn't know it so he thought he was straight, then he slowly realized he was gay and thought he was just tired of women.
tl;dr geek is hurt because no girls liked him, turns gay
I had heard some rumours that Andrew had turned gay later that year. According to people he had turned into quite the pervert, except he would hit on guys from the lower classed kids in our school. I suddenly realised that what had happened years back completely changed him. He realised that since he was gay, girls would come see him as a safe person to talk to, and learn things. I'm sure it bothered him that he was now excluded from practically every guy clique, but he never showed it.
so the guys were afraid of him because he was gay, and women weren't threatened by him because he stopped trying to get into their panties. this still doesn't prove it was a choice.
tl;dr geek realizes that he can hang with women because he's gay
you have no proof that he "turned" gay to hang around women. people don't know they're gay when they're born. even when puberty starts sometimes people don't realize they're gay, and that's probably the case here.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it. I probably should have told this earlier, during the Oreo gay thing, but oh well. I even provided tl;dr's after every paragraph so that you guys wouldn't have an excuse to skip the important stuff / make idiotic posts.
Everyone can stop living in their fantasy that there is a gay gene, and that we should totally praise these people. Human males are mentally hard-wired to find women appealing. I know for a fact I do. I'm not talking about animals or anything else. If you didn't figure out by now, people just want to be be accepted and fit in. So that's exactly what Andrew did, he tried to fit in with the girls. but wanting to fit in with girls would not prompt someone to change their loveuality automatically, because that is impossible, and you haven't posted any proof that it is a choice besides a story about a confused guy figuring out he is gay/bi and having people mistake it for "turning" gay.
The main point here is: People make the choice to be gay, they aren't born gay.
Thanks for your time. Let the games begin.
I know pirates were homoloveual, but only because there were no women around during long trips.
loveuality is such a complex topic but I'll try to explain.
Rather than turning gay with the flip of a switch, maybe a few were 2-3s on the
Kinsey Scale, or closeted due to the stigma that came with it until an opportunity or excuse was made for their homoloveuality among the crew, and the stigma was semi-lifted, which let them have love without fear of whatever the punishment could be.
