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I also know nothing about which components are considered good and which aren't, and the reason I'm looking for a custom made rig is I really don't want to build one of my own as of late. I know how to put one together, but it's not convenient for me, and I am willing to pay the extra dollar to have someone else do it, and have it covered in warranties.
That's why I said research. That "extra dollar" you're spending to have some moron put together a computer is money that you could be putting towards better components. I'm not going to try to push you too hard towards this idea, but honestly, the forum can help a stuffton, warranties apply to parts on their own, and like I said, building your own rig and knowing the ins-and-outs of it is fulfilling as stuff.

Your decision obviously.


Either way, I'm used to 30fps. I know 60 is the standard that everyone tries to shoot for at least, but I can still find a game perfectly playable at anything above 25.

You wont have to worry about having anything less than 60 fps with a $1300 computer. Building though will save you a fair amount of cash.
Before I built mine, i spent maybe a good month or 2 saving up money to buy the parts, and during that time ,i learned about every single part and whats good, how to build my computer, etc. Once you spend all that time learning, it isn't really scary. Also, if you build your own, you will also be more comfortable about opening up your computer to do upgrades and such because you KNOW whats in a computer.

Trust me, build your own. If your parents are cool, they will trust you if you put the computer PARTS on a list just as much as a prebuilt, instead of some other users who are getting a new computer but don't have parents that trust them at building their own.

That's why I said research. That "extra dollar" you're spending to have some moron put together a computer is money that you could be putting towards better components. I'm not going to try to push you too hard towards this idea, but honestly, the forum can help a stuffton, warranties apply to parts on their own, and like I said, building your own rig and knowing the ins-and-outs of it is fulfilling as stuff.

Your decision obviously.
Bold: Even if another part was responsible for causing others to fry, would those part warranties still cover the others? (I guess if the PSU was stuff or something idk.) If so, I didn't know that, and I'll certainly look into it.

While I am certainly into the idea of building a computer myself, for me to do it right now isn't on my priority list. That will be a project for me to do when I have more disposable income within the next few years.
I do understand the great fulfillment of building your own stuff, I get that quite a lot when it comes to making other things. However that isn't in my interest right now.

My mind has been swayed a bit though, I would very much be interested in a rig that has a case that is large enough to allow for modification. I thought I could do the same with my current rig, however the case is too small to allow me to buy any motherboard which can even come close to holding anything modern enough to run games well. (Plus the air circulation is stuff). Maybe one day I could Frankenstein the thing enough to have it be completely of my own make, sans the original case.

You wont have to worry about having anything less than 60 fps with a $1300 computer. Building though will save you a fair amount of cash.
Before I built mine, i spent maybe a good month or 2 saving up money to buy the parts, and during that time ,i learned about every single part and whats good, how to build my computer, etc. Once you spend all that time learning, it isn't really scary. Also, if you build your own, you will also be more comfortable about opening up your computer to do upgrades and such because you KNOW whats in a computer.

Trust me, build your own. If your parents are cool, they will trust you if you put the computer PARTS on a list just as much as a prebuilt, instead of some other users who are getting a new computer but don't have parents that trust them at building their own.
They trust me to fix anything wrong with theirs  :cookieMonster:
I am certainly a fan with computers, even though our old one was a piece of junk, I took it apart a lot after it was decommissioned by my parents, and fiddled with the layout and stuff, by trial and error figuring stuff as I went. The only stuff I have a hard time understanding about computers is the nitty-gritty about all the hardware, such as clock rates, capacitor count, etc. (all the stuff that isn't really relevant to someone who wants to play games good). Anything to do with solid hardware and modification is good, like a mechanic working on an old car. However, to fix a Ferrari's computer system after something went wrong, would be something a mechanic who focuses on older vehicles couldn't really do easily.

Redacting a few things I said above because frankly I'm a little bit of a lazy butt who doesn't want to edit it, I will take it into consideration. Maybe if someone has the time to whip up a price comparison, that would be very appreciated, as if the value difference between the parts isn't different by a significant percent, I might as well get the whole thing built for me instead.

Another thing about making a computer that I never understood is, buying the OS. I'm assuming I pretty much have to do that in order for it to work. However, they're bloody expensive, and if there was some legal way to get the OS for free, (as all of our other computers have a windows 7 x64 install), that would be nice as well, saving a few bucks.
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Redacting a few things I said above because frankly I'm a little bit of a lazy butt who doesn't want to edit it, I will take it into consideration. Maybe if someone has the time to whip up a price comparison, that would go very appreciated, as if the value difference between the parts isn't different by a significant percent, I might as well get the whole thing built for me instead. Ill see what I can do. Problem with that is that some companies put in some overly expensive parts and some cheap parts, mainly cheaping out on the PSU, CPU, and motherboard. Cases are also tough because a lot of companies that sell prebuild have terrible airflow in their cases and you cant find the cases easily, if at all.

Another thing about making a computer that I never understood is, buying the OS. I'm assuming I pretty much have to do that in order for it to work. However, they're bloody expensive, and if there was some legal way to get the OS for free, (as all of our other computers have a windows 7 x64 install), that would be nice as well, saving a few bucks.

You do need an OS for a computer to run at all. There are plenty of places to get the activation keys for cheap, but getting the iso requires a little bit of research on your part. Or you can pay the $80 for windows.

You do need an OS for a computer to run at all. There are plenty of places to get the activation keys for cheap, but getting the iso requires a little bit of research on your part. Or you can pay the $80 for windows.
Maybe if MS-DOS is finally abandonware/freeware I can make myself an awesome Doom rig :cookieMonster:

Windows is only $80? Huh, I imagined it would be closer to $120-$160. Either way, thanks for helping and putting forward some time to edumacate me about this. Likewise to Oasis as well.


Maybe if MS-DOS is finally abandonware/freeware I can make myself an awesome Doom rig :cookieMonster:

Windows is only $80? Huh, I imagined it would be closer to $120-$160. Either way, thanks for helping and putting forward some time to edumacate me about this. Likewise to Oasis as well.

Egh, I looked up it again. $80 was when i made my computer since there was a sale. I dont know for sure, but black friday will most like have Win 7/8 on sale, cause right now it seems they are both hovering around the $100 range.

I mean you could always try your luck with Linux, but i personally cant recommend anything with that simply because i have no experience with Linux.

why.
2800 MBps (read) / 2800 MBps (write)
1.6TB Storage

Thats why. PCI-Express SSDs are extremely expensive but are also extremely fast.
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Maybe if MS-DOS is finally abandonware/freeware I can make myself an awesome Doom rig :cookieMonster:

Windows is only $80? Huh, I imagined it would be closer to $120-$160. Either way, thanks for helping and putting forward some time to edumacate me about this. Likewise to Oasis as well.

No problem. Also, I'd suggest maybe seeing if Win10 is going to be cheaper to compete with OSX.

why.
Mother of god.

I would think a few of these would be more worth it:
http://www.pcgamer.com/gskills-new-pcie-ssd-cracks-19000-mbs-read-speeds/

Maybe if MS-DOS is finally abandonware/freeware I can make myself an awesome Doom rig :cookieMonster:

Windows is only $80? Huh, I imagined it would be closer to $120-$160. Either way, thanks for helping and putting forward some time to edumacate me about this. Likewise to Oasis as well.

Also, if you're going to a college or university, they usually give them out for free. Probably depends on the size of the university though.
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Also, if you're going to a college or university, they usually give them out for free. Probably depends on the size of the university though.
I am going to college, however it's just a local school and only has about 6000 students in it per year. Afaik they don't offer a lot of free stuff unless it's like a holiday and then they only give out free cupcakes.

Leeching off my previous suggestion however, are there any websites that let you "built" a computer, that only let you pick from compatible parts? Say, I choose a motherboard, then it brings up everything compatible with it, and so on and so forth. That might be an interesting tool to make sure a PC is (probably) in good working order before I even think of buying each part. :P

I am going to college, however it's just a local school and only has about 6000 students in it per year. Afaik they don't offer a lot of free stuff unless it's like a holiday and then they only give out free cupcakes.

Leeching off my previous suggestion however, are there any websites that let you "built" a computer, that only let you pick from compatible parts? Say, I choose a motherboard, then it brings up everything compatible with it, and so on and so forth. That might be an interesting tool to make sure a PC is (probably) in good working order before I even think of buying each part. :P

http://pcpartpicker.com/

We all use it, keeps everything organized, its great. It doesn't help much in the way of explaining things, but its pretty nifty and shows you the specs of each part.

Start on CPU because the Socket will determine the Mobo, then ram, cpu cooler, etc. Its pretty straight forward. But like i said, if you need to know more about each part, there are plenty of youtube channels that cover it, and Newegg even has a buyers guide for most of the essential parts and has a build tutorial.
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I am going to college, however it's just a local school and only has about 6000 students in it per year. Afaik they don't offer a lot of free stuff unless it's like a holiday and then they only give out free cupcakes.

Leeching off my previous suggestion however, are there any websites that let you "built" a computer, that only let you pick from compatible parts? Say, I choose a motherboard, then it brings up everything compatible with it, and so on and so forth. That might be an interesting tool to make sure a PC is (probably) in good working order before I even think of buying each part. :P
Microsoft offers a student discount, you just need a .edu email address to prove it.

Also, I could totally make you a part list if you want. Just tell me the budget and the stuff you expect to be included in it (OS, peripherals, etc. ). 

Microsoft offers a student discount, you just need a .edu email address to prove it.

Also, I could totally make you a part list if you want. Just tell me the budget and the stuff you expect to be included in it (OS, peripherals, etc. ). 
It's still pretty expensive. He might want to try to check with his school to see if they offer it for free. My university is huge, so it was only natural that Win8.1 was free. Microsoft desperately wants us all to get hooked, as if we aren't already.

http://pcpartpicker.com/

We all use it, keeps everything organized, its great. It doesn't help much in the way of explaining things, but its pretty nifty and shows you the specs of each part.

Start on CPU because the Socket will determine the Mobo, then ram, cpu cooler, etc. Its pretty straight forward. But like i said, if you need to know more about each part, there are plenty of youtube channels that cover it, and Newegg even has a buyers guide for most of the essential parts and has a build tutorial.
And you can always ask the forum. :)

Also, I could totally make you a part list if you want. Just tell me the budget and the stuff you expect to be included in it (OS, peripherals, etc. ).  
Budget range is about $1200 USD ($1375 CAD) (£770). Don't treat them as exact values, go over or under if needed. Just don't go over by too much.
The parts must ship to Canada with ease. I don't really mind how long it takes, but they must ship to Canada.

CPU must be quad-core with good performance. Preferrably Intel.
I don't really care whether or not the GPU is Nvidia or AMD.
GPU must be compatible with 2 monitors. I have one with a VGA plug and another with a DVI of some sort, however I can get a converter if needed. (Monitor 1, Monitor 2 (I'm not getting a new one either. I really like it tbh.))
Case/tower can't not be abhorrently tall, unless it can be placed on its side.
The more USB ports the better :)
Ram should be 8 gigs or more. (I also have a spare 8 gig ram stick in my room, It's DDR3 at 1366Mhz iirc? Idk. If there are extra slots on the motherboard after the initial ram is put in, it'd be cool if it was compatible as well)
If there is extra $$$ left over in the budget that can't really improve performance significantly throughout the PC, a small SSD would be nice to load windows and my heavily played games onto.

I am okay with using Windows 8.1, however, if Windows 7 is on some super cheap deal, I'd really like to go with that as an OS.

I have keyboard, mice, and monitors covered, so all I'm really focusing on is the computer.
« Last Edit: November 19, 2014, 12:27:26 AM by Jubel »

When I make a server on any game no one can join but when they make one (and no they don't portforward) everyone can join just fine. I just moved into a new place and I don't remember if I have to do any default port forwarding to get games to work (we all use Hamachi).

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http://pcpartpicker.com/p/9RKtrH

I honestly dont know how to change it to where it shows canadian friendly merchants or the currency used, but here you go.

On the ram though, I think it only works if you have the same ram in the slots, 1 8GB stick of ram from A Data wont work with 2 4GB sticks from Corsair, at least i think thats how it works.

Anyway, The video card should have 2 DVI plugs and comes with a converter for VGA so your good there, plus its the second best card ont he market and can play nearly every game max settings with 2 monitors.
You have some leg room with the PSU, so if you wanted, you can slap in another 970 because not only are they efficient, the motherboard also supports SLI.
The Case can be changed, since its based on preference. This one has a clean, non-aggressive look and has a side window, if you like that sort of thing.
The CPU cooler is pretty good for its price.

The CPU can be overclocked.
Tossed in a 126GB SSD, which should be enough for the OS and heavily played games.

Again, it might be different for you, but i tried changing my zip code in my profile to a BC one but i don't think it made a difference :/
You could also try making this list on your side, since it will show you what merchants are compatible with you area.